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Okoubaka

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:59 pm
by Dr. Atiq @ BT
Has anyone used Okoubaka? It is mentioned in the Meditative Provings and also used extensively in an ‘ESSENCE’ state by Phylak Spagyric.
Apparently it removes all toxins, pollution, chemicals, pesticides, tobacco, alcohol from the bloodstream.
If anyone has used it, I would appreciate an idea of the potency strength. Having searched google, it seems those selling it are selling it in a 2x potency, but I wonder if anyone has used it in 3x or 30c?
Thanks
Atiq

Re: Okoubaka

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:58 pm
by Marco Franzreb
I have used it in an 6x for diarrheas and i know about people having used it in a 30c and 200c
Dr. M. Franzreb Corbelletti
Castellana 171 Bajo izda., 28046 Madrid
www.drmarcofranzreb.com
Tel.: 914491957
Fax: 914491965
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Re: Okoubaka

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:00 pm
by d_rona2000
I've used it once in the case of a dog who was poisoned. I believe
the only potency I could find at that time was 6x. Repeated (in
liquid) a few drops every 4 to 6 hours for the first day - then once
a day for another 2 or 3 days. Worked well.

Donna

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Atiq @ BT" wrote:
Provings and
tobacco,
strength.
a 2x

Re: Okoubaka

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:15 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Donna and Marco,
Did you use any specific indications, or just the assumption / fact of
toxicity?
Atiq, I don't remember reading the "essence" state. Can you say a bit
about that, and where did you read it?
Shannon

Re: Okoubaka

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:28 pm
by Rochelle
Stuff I have collected on this Rx

Rochelle

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Nausea
Worse: smell of food - especially oil, standing
Better: ice cream, open air, lying, mental exertion

Occasional stomach cramps with shooting pain down the bowels to anus
causing contractions of the anus
When the nausea is bad there is diarrhoea
"Sickly" headache, feeling woozy, vacant, "feeling not there"
Like a permanent ache in the forehead and vertex
Hot face and head
Headache - Worse: heat, smell of food, mental exertion
Headache - Better: open air, drinking cold water
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Okoubaka aubrevillei Pelleg:

A tree growing in West-Africa. In former times only medicine-men had access
to this tree. When one was invited by another tribe to a festivity with
plenty of meals, one took Okoubaka to avoid being poisened.

In Germany often used in lower X-potencies. Recommended during voyages to
tropical regions, to avoid gastro-intestinal disturbances.

Clinical:
alimentary intoxications; intoxications from insecticides; toxic states
after infections; in tropical diseases;

Said also to be useful after symptoms of suppression after antibiotics.

Generalities
Troubles, consecutive to food poisoning.
Allergic troubles with pancreatic reflexes following intoxication by
insecticides.
Troubles of intoxication following different infections.
Nicotine intoxication, with gastric uneasiness.
General weakness.

Neuro-endocrino-psychic system
Repeated headache.
Vertigo.
Weakness of memory, difficulty to concentrate.
School difficulties (difficulties of students).

Digestive apparatus
Anorexia.
Distension and fullness of the stomach.
Eructations, nauseas, sometimes vomiting and vertigo.
Borborygmes often accompanied by colic and/or diarrhoea.
Flatulent dyspepsia.
Heaviness and tension in the gastric region.
Aerocolia.

Metabolic troubles
Unstability of glycemia.

Cardio-hemo-vascular apparatus
Precordial pains of angina pectoris type.
Pricking in the precordial region.
Venous troubles of the lower limbs.

Clinical diagnosis
Asthenia. School's boys headache.
Retardation of boys in the school.
Allergic syndromes.
Gastro-enteritis.
Cardiospasm.
Diabetes.
Food poisoning.
Residual symptoms of enterocolitis, infectious, of influenza, of
toxoplasmosis, of infantile and tropical diseases, of intoxication from
tobacco.

The Complete Repertory lists the following rubrics:

MIND; MEMORY; weakness, loss of*
MIND; LEARNING; poorly*
GENERALITIES; CONVALESCENCE, ailments during*
GENERALITIES; CONVALESCENCE, ailments during; post-influenzal*
GENERALITIES; INTOXICATION, after***
GENERALITIES; PSORA*
GENERALITIES; TOBACCO; agg.*
GENERALITIES; TOBACCO; nicotinism*
GENERALITIES; WEAKNESS, enervation*
GENERALITIES; WEAKNESS, enervation; mental; exertion, from*

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From clinical experience add to this remedy in cases of chemotherapy:
All the above symptoms have been relieved with Okoubaka with a 50% reduction in nausea.

This rubric lists three black type remedies 'Nux-v, Okou, Op.
The initial main remedy I have seen is Okoubaka, although often the acute remedy has changed during the course of the allopathic treatment.
per
Paul Tassie

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Okoubaka
I have used this remedy several times in cases for the side-effects of chemotherapy.
Having treated a number of cases of cancer who have also undergone allopathic treatment, I 'played with MacRep' to research possible remedies for the side-effects of allopathic treatments, such as chemotherapy and radiotherapy, to use as intercurrent remedies.
In the process I was intrigued by Okoubaka, being such a small remedy, and yet being graded in the Complete Repertory as a 3 in the rubric 'Generalities, Intoxication, after'.

One of the major side-effects of chemotherapy which gives discomfort to the patient (besides hair loss, low blood cell counts, etc.), is nausea.

There was a case I had of nausea from chemotherapy that appeared to present the symptoms of Tabacum yet did not really fit the proving symptoms. I prescribed Okoubaka by analogy based on the rubrics:

Generalities; Tobacco; agg. and Generalities; Tobacco; nicotinism. I saw this as Okoubaka having a relationship to Tabacum, and saw the poisoning effects of chemotherapy in the rubric Generalities; Intoxication, after.
The following is a composite case for the nausea from chemotherapy which I put together from cured symptoms from several cases.
Nausea
Worse: smell of food - especially oil, standing
Better: ice cream, open air, lying, mental exertion

Occasional stomach cramps them shooting pain down to bowel and anus causing contractions of anus
When the nausea was bad there was diarrhea
Headache - sickly headache, feeling woozy, vacant, not there feeling
Like a permanent ache - forehead and vertex
Hot head and face
Headache - Worse: heat, smell of food, mental exertion
- Better: open air, drinking cold water
per
Dr. Jeffrey Levine
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Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Re: Okoubaka

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:08 pm
by Dr. Atiq @ BT
Hi.
Sorry for the late reply.
I have read about it in Spagyric Medicine. I enclose the write up I received from Spagyric.
PHYLAK: PHYTOTHERAPY - LABORATORY ANALYSIS - CANCER RESEARCH ___________________________________________________________

Okoubaka: A plant of African origin for allergy, convalescence and detoxification.

It removes all the poisons of life - physical and non-physical.

Physical poisons: intoxication from both foods and medicines.

Good for allergies of alimentary origin. Today a lot of foods that we eat are not healthy: tinned foods, junk foods! Even fresh vegetables may contain a lot of sulphates.

Okoubaka goes to the depth of the bones, cells and removes poisons. The results are seen on the skin (allergy). A poisoned cell cannot regenerate, cannot absorb the oligo-elements and allow enzymes to do their work. Okoubaka removes poisons and allows the cells to take oxygen again and to regenerate.

It is a plan which removes poisons in the cells of the lungs. Hence it is used for uncontrollable cough, bronchitis.

It is the plant of the 21st century for modern man / woman - fast foods - coffee - tobacco - alcohol - stress - anger (road rage), etc A great plant to clean the large intestine of its poisons and to regenerate intestinal and vaginal floras (mycosis) To be used with Echinacae, Bellis or Thuja. Control the whole digestive system (what has not been digested also - Gentiana) Good for those who are hypersensitive to foods or with a delicate digestive system (IBS).

Some people have allergic reactions to antibiotics and here Okoubaka can be very helpful. A practitioner can prescribe Thuja first to remove the trace of antibiotics.

Acts on the digestive organs such as: the stomach, intestine, liver, gall bladder, pancreas, colon etc. (3rd physical chakra).

Acts on the Earth and Metal elements in Chinese medicine: skin-lungs-large intestines; Spleen - Pancreas- Stomach.

Allergy, hayfever, herpes, cutaneous eruptions, itchiness inflammation, toxins in the environment, chemical drugs, intolerance to medicines, food poisoning, problems following a change in diet or cosmetic products or travel abroad, tobacco, cigarettes, alcohol, preservative agents in food.

Chronic fatigue and chronic illnesses such as: flu, tonsillitis, suppuration, sinusitis, otitis, infantile disease. Headaches, migraine, vertigo, asthma, cough, runny nose, nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, constipation, high cholesterol level, flatulence, gastric and intestinal infections, heartburn, lack of appetite.
Hypertension, cardiac pains, palpitations. Muscular pains.
2 Psychological aspects: Failing memory, lack of concentration, irritability, depression, anxiety, Feeling unwell.
3 Energy aspects:
Intracellular regeneration through the supply of enzymes.

Action on IG, GI, Liver to eliminate life poisons.

Eliminates the harmful effects of alcohol.

General detoxification.

Removes the barriers of physical, psychological and spiritual poisons.

Stabilises the blood.

Infiltrates Life and Love into the veins.

Eliminates the toxins that damage our arteries, the lymphatic system, and the vocal cords.

Purifies the body and the mind.

New circulation.
Complex to eliminate toxins: OKOUBAKA, EUPHRASIA, SOLIDAGO, GINKGO, HUMULUS.
Pains, colics, sleeping problems originating from the liver.

Represents the Earth and the Wood.

Allows us to pay attention to our food, to be conscious of what we eat rather than to eat for pleasure.

You reeducate yourself to want to eat the right foods and derive pleasure from them, instead of simply enjoying the wrong foods.

Helps us to appreciate what is “beyond ” our plate, its origin, its quality and especially whether vegetal or animal, and the chemical additives in the foods (while allowing us to make an informed decision of what to eat).

Objective: Move toward the 4th chakra by eliminating the dark side of the 3rd and 4th chakras.
A good combination to clean and purify the body is Nux, Thuja and Okoubaka.

Recommended also for non-physical poisons: misleading literature, information, and philosophy.

Summary:

Action: Detoxification & antibacterial, allergy, convalescence, “poisoning” of the 21st century.

Organs & systems: digestive tract, skin and liver.

Type: hypersensitive to surroundings.

NOTE: IN MOST CASES A PERSONALISED COMBINATION IS THE BEST. OKOUBAKA IS AN EXCELLENT SINGLE ESSENCE TO TRY ON ITS OWN AND IN A BLEND.
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert & Shannon Nelson
Sent: 18 December 2008 15:16
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Okoubaka
Donna and Marco,
Did you use any specific indications, or just the assumption / fact of toxicity?
Atiq, I don't remember reading the "essence" state. Can you say a bit about that, and where did you read it?
Shannon
I've used it once in the case of a dog who was poisoned. I believe
the only potency I could find at that time was 6x. Repeated (in
liquid) a few drops every 4 to 6 hours for the first day - then once
a day for another 2 or 3 days. Worked well.

Donna

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Atiq @ BT" wrote:
Provings and
tobacco,
strength.
a 2x

Re: Okoubaka

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:38 pm
by eireneus
What are the effective potencies?

Laurence
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Re: Okoubaka

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:20 pm
by Theresa Partington
I have a patient whose digestion is very sensitive to wheat. After taking Okoubaka a few times (short course of 12s) she found herself able to tolerate a certain amount. Every now and then she revisits the Okoubaka and really feels the benefit in terms of increased tolerance. Having said that I don't really understand how the Spagyric people are able to make those statements about its action at cellular level. Where does that stuff come from?
Theresa

Re: Okoubaka

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:49 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Mm, as another wheat sensitive, I find that interesting!!
Over the years I have found that the longer I avoid it for, the greater
leeway I have. And if I avoid overexposure, a little here and there
doesn't seem to be a problem. (FWIW, sprouted wheat doesn't seem to be
a problem for me either.) But I'll get some to try for the next time I
"overdose", and see if it works for me too! Mmmmm, would that be
nice... (Cookies, who likes cookies? :-) )

Shannon

Re: Okoubaka

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:24 am
by Dr. Atiq @ BT
I believe the potency is the ESSENCE state, but I know that 2x is used also.
I wanted to know myself the same question.
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eireneus
Sent: 23 December 2008 14:30
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Re: Okoubaka
What are the effective potencies?

Laurence

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com , "Dr. Atiq @ BT" wrote:
received
we eat
regenerate,
and to
it is
foods -
plant
intestinal
delicate
can be
trace
gall
skin-lungs-large
food
food.
concentration,
system, and
HUMULUS.
pleasure
quality
in the
of the
Okoubaka.
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Behalf Of
bit about