Minutus

My sons ND has recommended aconite for my 8 year old son. My limited
knowledge and research says aconite is not appropriate for those who are
"not adverse to touch". My son is very affectionate. His primary symptoms are fear of giants chasing him or "terrorizing the city", he is worse at twilight and
evening time. He worries about the future and asks "grown up" questions
like how much does a car cost? a house cost and what should I be when I
grow up. What would happen to me if you and Dad died? He worries about
insignificant issues and at times expresses sadness about friends or
family members that live in other states almost like he is homesick even
though he may not know these people very well. He has attention
problems in school & articulation problems. He is a sensitive and
affectionate child but stubborn at times. On a daily basis he seems
happy and social. He will not walk to the bathroom by himself. He has
had interrrupted sleep since birth and is allergic to dairy.We are new
with this ND and homeopathy. When I expressed my concern she said this
remedy was the closest match based on what she input into the computer
at a DAN! conference? what suggestions can someone offer me?

Has not this email already been addressed and answered on this or another forum?
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Whether it has or not it is worth an answer simply because it has been posted here and surely the best thing would be for Ann to discuss this with the homeopath and if they are not obliging or do not satisfy any concerns then a new homeopath would be a better idea.

I am not sure how much people here want to discuss cases anymore and we can only give ideas and comments. But outside this box one could say that if a homeopath 'sees' fear as being the motivation behind the case then Aconite might well come to mind.

What worries me is the way the rx has been chosen - what seems to have been a casual computer input!

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

if the practitioner was casual, then it might/would be a concern.
but we only have a patient's view of it.
that being said, i have seen well known homepaths use the
computer programs and come up with a rx very quickly. i have
to assume they are that well versed in the remedies, trust what
they are hearing and move on it quickly.
i recently listened to a case being taken. the homeopath had
gotten to a point of assessment by the end of the interview. she
gave it a bit of thought as to which magnesium rx she wanted to
give and that was it. i believe the indian homepaths are trained
to work even quicker.
tanya

Yes Joy,

The computer similimum is given a too serious weightage nowadays.

The memorizing of the keynotes, for example, had people thinking of a remedy as soon as something came out of a patient's mouth.

Though I do not want to comment on another professional's work, this aconite rx seems to be an insult- given on a numeric strength of a program. All the programs run repertories that are modelled out of Kent. We have discussed how Kent was casual on the gradings. So these grading are only a pointer and not a final statement.

Even then, what about the other signal statements like ' fear of poverty' ( What would happen to me if you and Dad died?) as clearly expressed by the kid ?

Venkat

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Joy Lucas wrote:

What research?
One never selects a remedy on a symptom that is not present in the
patient - so in other words,
the fact that your son is not averse to touch, is completely
irrelevant to remedy selection, because it is not a symptom of
relevance for him.

Any remedy can help about 10,000 symptoms. Thankfully people do not
need all ten thousand for the remedy to help them.
One must start with the symptoms of the patient (NOT the symptoms the
remedy is documented as able to help)
and if the PATIENT's symptoms are included in the remedy's
"repertoire" of ten thousand items, - then the remedy will help the
symptoms the patient has.
What else the remedy can do, is completely irrelevant.

It's like a musician playing a specific tune someone wants to hear
and that he is able to play - what else he can play too is irrelevant
during the playing of THIS requested tune. The right remedy is the
musician who can p;lay the tune THAT IS NEEDED, regardless what else
thay can play.

Does that help?
Remedies are not selectable by a computer.
A computer can arrive at a LIST of potentially appropriate remedies,
but ojnly one will be the best one and the homeopath needs to study
the short list in the materia Medica books to see which fits BEST.
So Aconitum napellus might well have been on the short list or even
at the top of it. But it is half the process........
Being top of a short list does not make it the best remedy as some
remedies play more known tunes than others and get to the top of the
list too easily compared with others that may play less well-known
but more relevant tunes (with more tunes for it yet to be discovered)
but may include the BEST tune for THIS case.

A trained homeopath knows all this and will use the computer only as
a STEP in the process - not to actually select a remedy. gthde next
step is to study the short list of options in a materia medical to
choose the BEST one.
Aconitum might be right - but computer selection does not make it so.
It puts it on a short list of possibilitites. It is "half" the analysis.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Irene,
Your comments are exactly what I am looking for and make complete sense. My son's doctor did come up with 4 remedies and she ruled out two with questions. She is trying to determine which is most appropriate between Aconitum napellus and Belladonna. I found the following link which made me question if Aconite is correct based on the "find another remedy if" comment. What I am hearing from you is I should not quickly accept what this website states as being true for every case?

My son's symptoms can be intense, they are present on a (mostly) daily basis and he does have a fear of death, which lead me away from Belladonna. Based on your comments I am reversing the order and need to apply the symptoms to the remedy. But when you have two that you believe may work, my homeopath say you focus on the chronic items which determine the remedy? The other question I have is my sons ND/homeopath says we can try a remedy and if it doesn't work, we can try another one in a couple of weeks? Is this standard as I have read where a remedy can take a month to actually work.
http://www.hpathy.com/materiamedica/kul ... medies.asp
Look for different remedy if …

Aconite :

* The symptoms are not sudden
* The symptoms are not intense
* There is a lingering state
* The patient is quiet and relaxed
* Not averse to touch

Belladonna :

* Slow onset
* The symptoms are not intense
* Ongoing, chronic condition
* Fear of death
* Calm with quiet mental state

with sincere thanks,

Ann
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From: Irene de Villiers
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:40:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] seeking help for son
What research?
One never selects a remedy on a symptom that is not present in the
patient - so in other words,
the fact that your son is not averse to touch, is completely
irrelevant to remedy selection, because it is not a symptom of
relevance for him.

Any remedy can help about 10,000 symptoms. Thankfully people do not
need all ten thousand for the remedy to help them.
One must start with the symptoms of the patient (NOT the symptoms the
remedy is documented as able to help)
and if the PATIENT's symptoms are included in the remedy's
"repertoire" of ten thousand items, - then the remedy will help the
symptoms the patient has.
What else the remedy can do, is completely irrelevant.

It's like a musician playing a specific tune someone wants to hear
and that he is able to play - what else he can play too is irrelevant
during the playing of THIS requested tune. The right remedy is the
musician who can p;lay the tune THAT IS NEEDED, regardless what else
thay can play.

Does that help?
Remedies are not selectable by a computer.
A computer can arrive at a LIST of potentially appropriate remedies,
but ojnly one will be the best one and the homeopath needs to study
the short list in the materia Medica books to see which fits BEST.
So Aconitum napellus might well have been on the short list or even
at the top of it. But it is half the process..... ...
Being top of a short list does not make it the best remedy as some
remedies play more known tunes than others and get to the top of the
list too easily compared with others that may play less well-known
but more relevant tunes (with more tunes for it yet to be discovered)
but may include the BEST tune for THIS case.

A trained homeopath knows all this and will use the computer only as
a STEP in the process - not to actually select a remedy. gthde next
step is to study the short list of options in a materia medical to
choose the BEST one.
Aconitum might be right - but computer selection does not make it so.
It puts it on a short list of possibilitites. It is "half" the analysis.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet. Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire. com/fl/furryboot s/clickhere. html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Ann,
I think the difference is between treating a chronic issue and an acute one. And there is no "true for every case."
Also, I'm not sure why "fear of death" would lead you away from Belladonna. Belladonna has the rubric, "Mind, fear, death, of" as a 4 in Complete Rep.
What Joy is talking about is called "negative prescribing." So it is important the remedy covers the symptoms the patient has and not vice versa.
Also, it is not just the symptoms but the "picture" of the remedy should match as well. For example, when I was first learning homeopathy, I saw a live case in class and thought I had the remedy as Phos because Phos covered all the bleeding symptoms this person had. But this person's personality was a far cry from Phos and I now know the remedy would not have fit the case at all.
In a chronic case, the chronic symptoms should determine the remedy. However, there are some polycrests which have known "acutes." So if you know what remedy this person frequently needs in an acute situation, you may know their chronic remedy. And vice versa, if you know what their chronic remedy is, you may know what remedy(ies) they may need for acutes. For example, Belladonna, Rhus Tox, and Stramonium, are often the acute for those needing Calc-C chronically. But this is not always the case and I have found it to be more of a guideline. (Aconite is the acute for Sulphur by the way.) Then again, any of these remedies could also be the "chronic" remedy.
Thus you can see where there is no easy answer and you can't just type the symptoms into the computer to get the remedy. But in fairness to your homeopath, there have been many times when I have had trouble deciding between two or more different remedies because the symptoms seem so close and there wasn't enough to distinguish one over the other. In these cases, I like to concentrate on the SRPs (strange, rare, and peculiar) symptoms as well as the "essence" or overall energy of the case.
In terms of dosing, typically with a dry dose, it could take a month or more for the remedy to work. With liquid dosing, you can typically tell within a couple of doses over the course of a week if it is the right remedy or not based on the reponse.
HIH!
Truly,
Erica

Sorry, it wasn't Joy but Irene who was describing "negative prescribing."
Truly,
Erica

But coming up first in a computer repertorization is not a good
justification for giving the remedy; there ought to be much better
reasons... However, could be that she *had* better reasons, but felt
this one would reassure the mom?

But Ann--I'm not so very familiar with the *chronic* picture of
Aconite, but it will be somewhat different from the acute picture. It
may be that the note about "not appropriate for a patient not averse to
touch" might only apply to an *acute* case? Because I notice that in
the rubric "Affectionate", aconite is indeed among the group. Which
doesn't prove anything at all but suggests that *maybe* his
affectionate nature is not basis to rule out Aconite for him.

Do you know what the ND's training and background is with homeopathy?
Homeopathy is part of the ND curriculum, but in order to use homeopathy
as a *primary* treament (and to do effective prescribing for chronic
conditions), they would need to take additional training also.

Shannon