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Hi,

I think I have Lac-e (mare's milk) patient. She fits Phos in many particulars, but the general picture fits Lac-e. EH 2 has some good cases. I am wondering if others have experience with the remedy and would agree with my choice. The lac-e symptoms have a +++ before them. I thought of the remedy originally through Mangialavori's description. Concern with serving others to the point of anxiety, sports love, alcohol aversion/agg, Family center. Loyal. Very high sense of dignity. Frustrated by not being able to achieve her dreams but has many excuses. Concerned with pleasing others. Wants to learn from someone who is superior to her. Naive about the bad intentions of others like a Phos.

Best,
Ellen
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The patient is a 78 year old All Japan ex-ping pong champion.
Chief Complaint: +++Anxiety High blood pressure from anxiety. Worries incessantly about teaching her ping-pong students. +++She typically says if only they would do XXX they would be better. .She is extremely+++loyal. She will stay with a student for 20 years and complain about their lack of progress. +++ It is as if they were in some kind of race. Cannot sleep at night because she is+++ too excited by playing computer games. She +++ trying to be more efficient in her game and gets too excited to sleep. Wakes up to bake bread. +++Anticipatory anxiety. Takes meds. Blood pressure rises with anxiety. Becomes dizzy with high blood pressure attacks. Recently just the anticipation of fun will drive her blood pressure up. Began taking meds when she was criticized publicly and +++unfairly. Had a mild nervous break down. Despite all her concern with gossip, she loves to gossip. Can talk very critically and loudly about others. Seems to be obcessive about these criticisms. The Japanese have a saying, "The nail that stands out gets knocked down." She is that nail, so her behavior is very odd from a Japanese point of view.
+++Perfectionist. Very concerned with a lack of understanding of finances, but she is also aging and suffering from some memory problems.
+++Competitive but only likes competition does not get jealous. Makes other people jealous because she is such a performer. if typically put in the leadership position.
+++Strangely weak hands. Her Palm is very small but her thumb is enormous. Cannot find a rubric..
Had all teeth pulled at age 52. Didn't mention originally it when I asked about surgeries.
Brags about reaching the professional level in golf, bowling, dancing and now she is working on karaoke. She likes to perfect their skills of an amateur and then quits. Love having teachers and being a teacher. Does not seem aware that she is bragging which is very unusual for Japanese. Extremely self assertive for Japanese. Loves to show off in public. Says that she likes to stand out. She had been groomed to coach the all national Japanese ping-pong team. But she backed away to be a mother. She carries around her bag of metals to show people that she is a professional. It is very important for her to be recognized but she is teaching amateurs so it is very difficult. +++ I think this fits the Lac-e problem of attaining her dreams or obsession with not attaining them.
+++Knee problems. Physical problems right-sided. Right-sided neck ache.
Does not like +++alcohol, her face gets red immediately. Does not like +++carbonated bubbles. Dislikes +++lemonade and sour things in general. LAC-E desires lemonade. +++Loves to eat and over eats to the point that she feels bad. Faints from the smell of printing ink. +++Milk intolerance.
+++Red spots on her skin from scratching. They look like blood blisters. The literature says the discoloration is black.
Total +++ family orientation. +++ Very demanding in training her children and grandchildren. Constantly training herself and others. Will go to great extremes to help family members or even a neighbor or student. Cannot say no to a teacher who she does not like. Very interested in technical detail of +++sports. Desires mastery.
+++Sensitive to thunder and lightning. Does not like it. Does not like animals. She worries they might be sick. Does not like to take care of things like plants or pets but no problem taking care of her own children.

Constipated since age 20, Ameliorated by strong pressure, but she did not know this until I gave her a shiatsu. Took medication also life for the constipation.
Never perspire is below the waist or on the extremities although she is an extreme athlete whose period was irregular because of all the exercise.
+++Very physically bold. For example she rides a motorcycle after three accidents. Brags about how she avoided getting hurt on the motorcycle. From her point of view she is not bragging. She is only speaking her passion. This happens often. She has been very fortunate all her life and does not understand why others would be jealous of her. The whole world is ranked for her and she likes to learn from those who are above her. She says this.

Uterus removed for early cancer symptoms. 15 years ago. Says she did not care if her husband was unfaithful. He died leaving her with lots of debt 25 years ago. She did not even know about his debt. Many strange lack of awareness of others and their true character. She used to hide when she came into the house because he was so jealous. Wanted to divorce him after one month of marriage but did not.
+++Weak Liver from Herpes exposure

Dear Ellen,
In my experience with the Lac remedies, generally there’s an underlying state of deprivation of mother love – although this person’s devotion to mothering would also potentially indicate one of these remedies. I think we just don’t have the depth of clinical information on the Lac remedies (other than lac-c) to make it easy to know when they are indicated.
What other remedies have you studied in your differential analysis for this case? To me, in your description, the two outstanding things that HAVE to be central to the remedy that will work are an incredibly strong concern with social position and fear of losing hers, along with the volatile hypertension.
Is she chilly or warmblooded? If one or the other, it could help eliminate some possibly well indicated remedies.
Veratrum or Anacardium or Lycopodium sort of come to mind, but her intense interest in social structure and rank makes me wonder also about various mineral remedies: Baryta? Kali? Aurum? Possibly Ferrum? If her skin is itchy, that would make a difference in the likely remedies, along with the thermal modalities.
I wonder why she gave up the power trip she obviously loved, as the athletic trainer, to be a mother?? That would be interesting to know – if it indicates a muriaticum, for instance, rather than a carbonicum or a sulphuratum. It doesn’t sound like it was a sense of duty, but if so, it might make Lac-e stand out more?? If it amounted to a calling to be a mother, then I’d look more carefully at muriaticums.
I also wonder what happened when she was 20 that made the constipation start then? Sometimes constipation can represent a reluctance to share or give – an emotional basis, rather than strictly physical one.
What miasmatic influences do you see in the case? There’s some sycosis, for sure – possibly a lot, since there seems a contradiction between the outer persona and the inner one. Also a fair amount of psora and some tubercular.
The fact that with aging she’s losing some mental competence made a Baryta higher for me on the possibility scale.
With the hypertrophic thumbs, I wondered if that could have something to do with how the hands are used in ping-pong – extreme use of certain muscles will cause the bone as well as the muscles in those areas to enlarge over time. Otherwise, the description of her hands might make one think of a remedy in the Aurum or Baryta spectrum.
The case presents a lot of questions, I think – very interesting. Please let us know what you decide to give and how it goes.
Rosemary
The medicine this sick world needs is love. Hatred must be replaced by love,
and fear by faith that love will prevail."
~Peace Pilgrim
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ellen Madono
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:01 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Lac-equinum case?
Hi,

I think I have Lac-e (mare's milk) patient. She fits Phos in many particulars, but the general picture fits Lac-e. EH 2 has some good cases. I am wondering if others have experience with the remedy and would agree with my choice. The lac-e symptoms have a +++ before them. I thought of the remedy originally through Mangialavori's description. Concern with serving others to the point of anxiety, sports love, alcohol aversion/agg, Family center. Loyal. Very high sense of dignity. Frustrated by not being able to achieve her dreams but has many excuses. Concerned with pleasing others. Wants to learn from someone who is superior to her. Naive about the bad intentions of others like a Phos.

Best,
Ellen
======
The patient is a 78 year old All Japan ex-ping pong champion.

Chief Complaint: +++Anxiety High blood pressure from anxiety. Worries incessantly about teaching her ping-pong students. +++She typically says if only they would do XXX they would be better. .She is extremely+++loyal. She will stay with a student for 20 years and complain about their lack of progress. +++ It is as if they were in some kind of race. Cannot sleep at night because she is+++ too excited by playing computer games. She +++ trying to be more efficient in her game and gets too excited to sleep. Wakes up to bake bread. +++Anticipatory anxiety. Takes meds. Blood pressure rises with anxiety. Becomes dizzy with high blood pressure attacks. Recently just the anticipation of fun will drive her blood pressure up. Began taking meds when she was criticized publicly and +++unfairly. Had a mild nervous break down. Despite all her concern with gossip, she loves to gossip. Can talk very critically and loudly about others. Seems to be obcessive about these criticisms. The Japanese have a saying, "The nail that stands out gets knocked down." She is that nail, so her behavior is very odd from a Japanese point of view.

+++Perfectionist. Very concerned with a lack of understanding of finances, but she is also aging and suffering from some memory problems.
+++Competitive but only likes competition does not get jealous. Makes other people jealous because she is such a performer. if typically put in the leadership position.
+++Strangely weak hands. Her Palm is very small but her thumb is enormous. Cannot find a rubric..
Had all teeth pulled at age 52. Didn't mention originally it when I asked about surgeries.
Brags about reaching the professional level in golf, bowling, dancing and now she is working on karaoke. She likes to perfect their skills of an amateur and then quits. Love having teachers and being a teacher. Does not seem aware that she is bragging which is very unusual for Japanese. Extremely self assertive for Japanese. Loves to show off in public. Says that she likes to stand out. She had been groomed to coach the all national Japanese ping-pong team. But she backed away to be a mother. She carries around her bag of metals to show people that she is a professional. It is very important for her to be recognized but she is teaching amateurs so it is very difficult. +++ I think this fits the Lac-e problem of attaining her dreams or obsession with not attaining them.
+++Knee problems. Physical problems right-sided. Right-sided neck ache.
Does not like +++alcohol, her face gets red immediately. Does not like +++carbonated bubbles. Dislikes +++lemonade and sour things in general. LAC-E desires lemonade. +++Loves to eat and over eats to the point that she feels bad. Faints from the smell of printing ink. +++Milk intolerance.
+++Red spots on her skin from scratching. They look like blood blisters. The literature says the discoloration is black.
Total +++ family orientation. +++ Very demanding in training her children and grandchildren. Constantly training herself and others. Will go to great extremes to help family members or even a neighbor or student. Cannot say no to a teacher who she does not like. Very interested in technical detail of +++sports. Desires mastery.
+++Sensitive to thunder and lightning. Does not like it. Does not like animals. She worries they might be sick. Does not like to take care of things like plants or pets but no problem taking care of her own children.

Constipated since age 20, Ameliorated by strong pressure, but she did not know this until I gave her a shiatsu. Took medication also life for the constipation.
Never perspire is below the waist or on the extremities although she is an extreme athlete whose period was irregular because of all the exercise.

+++Very physically bold. For example she rides a motorcycle after three accidents. Brags about how she avoided getting hurt on the motorcycle. From her point of view she is not bragging. She is only speaking her passion. This happens often. She has been very fortunate all her life and does not understand why others would be jealous of her. The whole world is ranked for her and she likes to learn from those who are above her. She says this.

Uterus removed for early cancer symptoms. 15 years ago. Says she did not care if her husband was unfaithful. He died leaving her with lots of debt 25 years ago. She did not even know about his debt. Many strange lack of awareness of others and their true character. She used to hide when she came into the house because he was so jealous. Wanted to divorce him after one month of marriage but did not.
+++Weak Liver from Herpes exposure

Interesting observation Rosemary. My experience with the lac
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situations - the abuse occurred after loss of mother, or loss of
mother's love when mother re-married, etc. I've never had a case
where the Lac remedies fit 'powerful' individuals - so it will be
interesting to see how this case proceeds.
Donna
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Hello Ellen,

I mentioned your case to Patricia Hatherly who is writing a book on the milk remedies and her comments are below.

Cheers
Glenda
My first thought is that it’s more likely to be lac asinum…..sort of a horse J
Lac-as is close to lac-h and this picture is more lac-h…good Ego (the thumb is the Ego digit!!!). Also keep in mind that the ass is sure-footed. There is strength in the appendages.
Lac-eq is a slave to work..for the good of the group (as in Animal Farm….Boxer). Lac-eq will slave away for the kids/family…workaholic; have issues with money.
Lac-h works to get approval and then reaches a point where she says “Stuff it…it’s actually more about me so the rest of you can go and sort yourselves out.” (but actually she’d probably use rude words to share this)
There is a doggedness/obstinancy in lac-as…beast of burden (debt = burden???) with performance anxiety linked to possible low self esteem due to being put down/unacknowledged/ridiculed…as in all the common derogatory terms used to describe an ass. This lady’s critical talk about others is probably her compensation for being ridiculed….the essence of the asinine state.
Provings by Chetna Shukla; Mueller and Lamonthe…latter is in the MM of Milk but Shukla’s proving is the best and only properly-conducted one. The other two were dream and seminar provings.
Cheers
Patricia

Dear Glenda,

Thank you so much for sending my description to Patricia Hatherly. I will let you know how the story progresses.

I think you have to take the patient's story the way it is presented. She didn't have problems with money as she saw it.
The people around her have issues with money and she should to, but that is not how she presents herself. Money is not the problem. It's all about reputation, her accomplishments. Her husband was not bringing home his income. Japanese women keep the purse. So this is very odd. She was getting money from her mother and earning money as a coach and sewing curtains at for the shop near her house. She way she presented it was she had the industrial machine so they always gave her work, not that she was over worked or resented even her husband. He had mistresses and was giving away money because he was brought up with wealth. So, she paints the picture like he was simply not in the picture. She coached often as a volunteer and that seems to not have been an issue. Throughout her live she never ceases to have numerous teams under her wing. Also throughout all of this she learned various sports under the private tutoring of coaches who we paid in the hundreds of dollars per hour. This continues as her family tradition although her children are much more wealthy.

Currently her kids are all wealthy and she brags about their lavish life. But she doesn't really have much money. I think they support her. Not understanding how her money is managed and losing it because she is not paying attention (aging??) is the issue. This she talks about to everyone without shame.

I think it is a problem when you have a patient who is essentially very strong. Remedy pictures are based on weakness.

Best,
Ellen

Hi all,
I think the issue is mothering. Every anxiety is phrased as if the person she is having trouble serving is her child. She quit coaching the All Japan team to mother. Even her grandchildren call her Mama because she raised them. This might be important for understanding a milk (if it works). I'll have to see. Many authors (Mangialavorie, Sankara) talk about rubrics that have poles to them with an issue in the center.
Best,
Ellen

Hi Ellen,
The pictures aren't based only in weakness, but also in characteristics
that are exaggerated and/or unusual--either in themselves, or in
context. I haven't read much of the prior posts on this (been gone),
but bragging about her lavish lifestyle certainly seems distinctive.
(Is Lyc. possible?) Spending hundreds of dollars an hour for lessons,
tho she doesn't have much money, also seems extremely unusual...
Cheers,
Shannon