incest and abortion again
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2002 4:28 am
must reading about incest is jeffrey masson: assault on truth. he had
worked in the freud archives for some time and found that freud had totally
lied about incest, that it was not the children that were wanting to have
sex with their parents but the parents that were wanting to have sex with
their children and were doing so. freud was told that he would be drummed
out of psychoanalytic circles if he told this truth, so he lied. when
masson told the truth, he indeed was drummed out of psychoanalytic circles.
read alice miller also. i forget which one of her books, i only ready the
first three, a long time ago. it took her up until her 7th book, i think,
to get in touch with her own sexual abuse. but she writes brilliantly about
idealizing our family of origin and sexual abuse and other such matters. i
think the figure now for women in the usa is that 1 out of 3 has been
sexually abused as a child. and the figure for men is not much lower. now
with all the scandal about the priests sexual abuse against young boys
mostly (it seems so far)and it can be called incest because it it abuse in
a power relationship - that figure on boy children will be rising quite a
bit i suspect. boston certainly can not be the only city where this
happens. only the first to have it revealed. quite a world we live in. by
the way,it used to be the catholics who had the highest abortion rate of any
other religion. such a sad irony. of course, because of their teaching on
birth control , etc. i say used to because i do not have up to date
figures. in the boston globe they are quoting polls saying how a majority
of catholics in the boston area do not agree with the hierarchy of the
church in their positions on birth control and abortion. the false memory
foundation is the insitutionalized version of those adults - parents,
religious people, teachers, etc. - who say incest is all made up, suggested
by therapists, etc. in fact, it was women incest survivors who taught
therapists about incest, not therapists who suggested the memories to them.
and, yes, many incest survivors do become prostitutes. i cannot go into why
here, i am too tired. but why not ask the question also about why do the
men go to prostitutes? as far as abortion , women will always have
abortions, no matter what the law is. the question remains, will they be
safe and legal or illegal and unsafe and will women die? those of you who
think all women suffer after an abortion have not spoken to many women who
do not suffer. in the usa - jews, catholics for a free choice, unitarians,
and some other protestant groups all support abortion rights for women.
there is a group that used to be called religious coalition for abortion
rights. they have somewhat changed their name over the last few years to be
more inclusive of other reproductive rights, but they still support abortion
rights. at the clinics, we used to say, god is a woman and she's
pro-choice. the bumper sticker i always loved read, if your're against
abortion, don't have one. tanya already eloquently told this to soroush. i
shudder when i think of the women who are going to homeopaths who are making
them sicker because of their attitudes about women. nancy, will you write
me more about melissa and what about nancy herrick? and where and what are
you going to teach? i am so glad you are going to teach. i used to teach,
and maybe i will some day again in this area now. i would love to. sheila
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worked in the freud archives for some time and found that freud had totally
lied about incest, that it was not the children that were wanting to have
sex with their parents but the parents that were wanting to have sex with
their children and were doing so. freud was told that he would be drummed
out of psychoanalytic circles if he told this truth, so he lied. when
masson told the truth, he indeed was drummed out of psychoanalytic circles.
read alice miller also. i forget which one of her books, i only ready the
first three, a long time ago. it took her up until her 7th book, i think,
to get in touch with her own sexual abuse. but she writes brilliantly about
idealizing our family of origin and sexual abuse and other such matters. i
think the figure now for women in the usa is that 1 out of 3 has been
sexually abused as a child. and the figure for men is not much lower. now
with all the scandal about the priests sexual abuse against young boys
mostly (it seems so far)and it can be called incest because it it abuse in
a power relationship - that figure on boy children will be rising quite a
bit i suspect. boston certainly can not be the only city where this
happens. only the first to have it revealed. quite a world we live in. by
the way,it used to be the catholics who had the highest abortion rate of any
other religion. such a sad irony. of course, because of their teaching on
birth control , etc. i say used to because i do not have up to date
figures. in the boston globe they are quoting polls saying how a majority
of catholics in the boston area do not agree with the hierarchy of the
church in their positions on birth control and abortion. the false memory
foundation is the insitutionalized version of those adults - parents,
religious people, teachers, etc. - who say incest is all made up, suggested
by therapists, etc. in fact, it was women incest survivors who taught
therapists about incest, not therapists who suggested the memories to them.
and, yes, many incest survivors do become prostitutes. i cannot go into why
here, i am too tired. but why not ask the question also about why do the
men go to prostitutes? as far as abortion , women will always have
abortions, no matter what the law is. the question remains, will they be
safe and legal or illegal and unsafe and will women die? those of you who
think all women suffer after an abortion have not spoken to many women who
do not suffer. in the usa - jews, catholics for a free choice, unitarians,
and some other protestant groups all support abortion rights for women.
there is a group that used to be called religious coalition for abortion
rights. they have somewhat changed their name over the last few years to be
more inclusive of other reproductive rights, but they still support abortion
rights. at the clinics, we used to say, god is a woman and she's
pro-choice. the bumper sticker i always loved read, if your're against
abortion, don't have one. tanya already eloquently told this to soroush. i
shudder when i think of the women who are going to homeopaths who are making
them sicker because of their attitudes about women. nancy, will you write
me more about melissa and what about nancy herrick? and where and what are
you going to teach? i am so glad you are going to teach. i used to teach,
and maybe i will some day again in this area now. i would love to. sheila
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