Minutus

My replies to Dave's message appear in capital letters (to differentiate, my
answers--also to give the subliminal message that I am right because my
letters are bigger! ) )

HAVE YOU PARTICIPATED IN PROVINGS?

Yeah, I participated in one proving- a good experience for me..

There will always be quite a few viewpoints on "the state" of a particular
remedy, for the simple reason that NO INDIVIDUAL will perceive nor express
"the state" exactly as another..

I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THIS. THE SYMPTOMS AND FEELINGS THAT ARE EXPERIENCED
BY A NUMBER OF PROVERS ARE THE MOST RELEVANT IN PERCEIVING THE STATE OF A
PARTICULAR REMEDY. USUALLY THERE ARE SOME STRONG THEMES THAT MANY PROVERS
SHARE. AND THERE ARE SOME VERY SENSITIVE PROVERS WHO ARE COMPLETELY TAKEN
OVER BY THE PROVING. JAYESH SHAH SAYS THAT EVERY WORD OF SUCH PROVERS
BECOMES IMPORTANT.

FOR THE INDIVIDUAL PROVER, THE BIGGEST EYE-OPENER OF THE PROVING EXPERIENCE
IS HOW ARBITRARY OUR "NORMAL" STATE TRULY IS, AFTER SEEING HOW OUR THOUGHTS,
FEELINGS, AND BELIEFS ARE CHANGED BY BEING EXPOSED TO A DIFFERENT STATE.

though we do need to attempt to know each
remedy as part of "the living materia medica" (as I've heard it
expressed) -I find that for myself, I don't really feel that I have a good
feel for a remedy until I research it for a case (& better yet, where it is
actually the one used in a case.)

YES, AND EVEN BETTER YET, WHEN IT IS ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT ENDS UP BEING
CURATIVE!! IT IS SO CONFUSING WHEN A REMEDY THAT SEEMED TO FIT COMPLETELY
JUST DOESN'T WORK. THE PROVING EXPERIENCE HAS HELPED ME LEARN TO READ
BETWEEN THE LINES OF PROVINGS AND MATERIA MEDICA TO PERCEIVE THE
ENERGY/STATE BEHIND THE WORDS.
Many MM's exist; reading a number of them will help us to understand the
idealistic "state" - "of the remedy" (itself) - and will reveal
"Strange/Rare/Peculiar" (SRP) or "Strange/Exceptional/Unusual/Odd" (SEUO)
symptoms ... as discussed in Organon, Aph 153:

"In the search for a homoeopathically specific remedy, that is, in the
comparison of the complex of the natural disease's signs with the symptoms
sets of the available medicines (in order to find among them an artificial
disease potence that corresponds in similarity to the malady to be cure)
the more STRIKING, EXCEPTIONAL, UNUSUAL, AND ODD (Characteristic) signs and
symptoms of the disease case are to especially and almost solely kept in
view. THESE ABOVE ALL, MUST CORRESPOND TO VERY SIMILAR ONES IN THE
SYMPTOMS SET OF THE MEDICINES SOUGHT if it is to be the most fitting one
for cure. The more common and indeterminate symptoms (lack of appetite,
headache, lassitude, restless sleep, discomfort, etc.) are the be seen with
almost every disease and medicine and thus deserve little attention unless
they are more closely characterized."

THESE PECULIAR SYMPTOMS CAN BE THE MOST USEFUL FOR FINDING THE PRECISE
REMEDY. I CAME TO A SUCCESSFUL RX OF "BUTTERFLY", FOR INSTANCE, IN A CHILD
WHO WAS INTENSELY AFRAID OF CHICKENS, BUT NOT OF MUCH BIGGER AND MORE
THREATENING ANIMALS, SUCH AS DOGS. THE INDIAN HOMEOPATHS REALLY EMPASIZE
THESE "PQRS" ("PECULIAR, QUEER, RARE, AND STRANGE") SYMPTOMS. IN FACT,
USUALLY IF THE REMEDY DOESN'T COVER THEM, IT WON'T BE THE SIMILLIMUM, AT
LEAST IN A WELL-PROVEN REMEDY.

WOULD YOU LIKE MY REVIEW OF JAYESH SHAH'S 3-YEAR PROFESSIONAL SEMINAR?
REPLY SEPARATELY IF YOU WOULD.

CHARLOTTE GILRUTH

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[snip] --- Charlotte Gilruth
wrote: > My replies to Dave's message appear in
capital

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Charlotte,

Are you aware that using capital letters is akin to
SHOUTING/SCREAMING/YELLING at someone when used in
email or on bulletin boards?

Is is incredibly hard to read (for some) and is
considered bad form by most, at least in all the
forums and mailing lists I have been a member
of/participated in?
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Dear Colleagues

In my version of Radar repertory, there some 20+ rubric involving cancer and
Ars.

Ars was proved by Hn.

Could any one advise if any of Hn's provers actually developed cancer whilst
trying Ars, or is it based on clinical experience that some of with cancer
exhibits other symptoms and signs on the basis of which Ars is prescribed
and the cancerous tumours disappear too.

Rgds
Soroush
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Dear Soroush,

I have never seen development of cancer in the
provings I have studied. This is all from clinical
studies but it doesn't mean that if the cancer is
cured by the administration of a remedy it is included
in the repertory. It only means that Ars state is seen
with those cases of cancer. So.... 'Cancer' is not a
reliable rubric at all!

Ardavan
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on 2/27/05 3:18 PM, Finrod at finrod@webstar.co.uk wrote:
(( Dear Soroush,

A couple refs. Probably provers did not develop cancer--at least find no ref
to in in rfworks at least (arsenic/proving/cancer).

This in MMP, but my guess is that it is a toxicological sx (not
differentiated from proving in MMP:
" Cancerous ulcer which rendered it necessary to amputate the limb."
Arsenic has clear toxicological connection with cancer. And homeopathic
association with it-- connection appears experiential and not based on
proving--though cachexia of cancer very similar to ars proving sx, for
example (MM Pura:
"She becomes much emaciated, with earthy complexion, blue rings round
the eyes, great weakness in all the limbs, disinclination for all work, and
constant desire to rest (after 8 days)."

Best,
Andy

http://sdsd.essortment.com/arsenicpoisonin_rljn.htm

Arsenic is a very toxic substance that is found in food, water and household
items. Tobacco smoke, laundry detergent, bone meal, sea food, beer and even
drinking water are a few of the items arsenic can be consumed from.
Headaches, confusion, sleepiness, and even convulsions can be the effects of
arsenic poisoning. Vomiting, diarrhea, kidney, liver and lung problems can
occur, including death in extreme cases. Here is how to avoid and cure
arsenic poisoning.
Arsenic is found in many different places. Arsenic is used to poison pests
such as rats and mice, and can be used to kill any living thing. Arsenic is
found in tiny amounts in many things that we consume. Some food items that
may contain arsenic are seafood, water, bone meal, dolomite, kelp, table
salt, and beer.
If you work in a job that produces any kind of pesticide, agricultural
insecticide or spraying of any of these, you are at risk of arsenic
poisoning. Other jobs that are at risk are copper smelting, mining, sheep
dipping and metallurgical industries. Continued exposure to arsenic builds
up in the system and there is an accumulated effect. The more you are
exposed the more serious are the consequences.
Arsenic poisoning is usually determined by a hair analysis. If arsenic is
found in the hair follicles it will stay there for years. If it is in your
hair follicles it is usually in your body as well. Arsenic is also deposited
in the fingernails and skin.

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of cancer. The types of cancers that are found in workers that are regularly
exposed to arsenic are: skin cancer, scrotal cancer, liver cancer, cancer of
the lymphatic system, and lung cancer.
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Symptoms of arsenic poisoning begin with headaches, confusion and
drowsiness. As the poisoning develops, convulsions and changes in fingernail
pigmentation may occur. When the poisoning becomes acute, symptoms may
include diarrhea, vomiting, blood in the urine, cramping muscles, hair loss,
stomach pain, and more convulsions. The organs of the body that are usually
affected by arsenic poisoning are the lungs, skin, kidneys, and liver. The
final result of arsenic poisoning is coma or death.
If you suspect that you are being exposed to arsenic your diet needs to
include lots of sulfur. Sulfur can eliminate some of the arsenic from the
body. The foods that contains sulfur are; eggs, onions, beans, legumes, and
garlic. Sulfur can be bought and taken in tablet form also. The amino acid
that provides sulfur is cysteine. Check with your doctor before taking any
supplements.
Fiber can also help to leech the arsenic from your system by attaching to it
and washing it out. Include a lot of fiber in your diet by eating whole
grains and cereals, fruits and vegetables.
If someone accidentally ingests arsenic administer 5 charcoal tablets
immediately. Take 5 more charcoal tablets 15 minutes later and again every
fifteen minutes. Go immediately to an emergency room. Charcoal tablets
should be a part of every medicine cabinet for any type of poisoning.
Chelation therapy is an option if you have arsenic poisoning. Chelation
therapy is used to remove toxic metals such as cadmium, arsenic, lead and
mercury from our bodies. Metals and minerals can clog our systems and can be
removed with chelation therapy. The procedure has been done for forty years
in the United States and is safe. Chelation therapy is a series of
injections of ethylenediaminetetra aacetic acid (EDTA) that is done in a
doctors office.
You can also do chelation therapy at home with over the counter chelation
formulas bought at a health food store or a drug store. Most are made with
alfalfa, garlic, fiber, turin and selenium. Alfalfa liquid or tablets, taken
three times daily with meals, detoxifies the liver and chelates substances
from the body. Coenzyme Q(10) improves circulation of the blood which allows
the toxic substances to leave the body. L-Lysine, an amino acid, detoxifies
harmful heavy metals from our systems. Rutin and apple pectin can be taken
to bind with unwanted toxic metals and remove them from the body through the
intestinal tract.
When doing any chelation therapy, make sure that you replace lost essential
minerals by taking alfalfa, iron, kelp and zinc in addition to your regular
multi-vitamin.
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Search for cancer, poisoning, arsenicum did not pan out in referenceworks at
least.

Bernoville Cancer
that I am mentioning that are not in the repertory as far as I can find. One
is Lac caninum. You will be surprised what Lac can. will do in those cases
where the breast has been amputated. Many years ago when I was a student in
Hahnemann College, I attended Dr. Kent's clinic. He very frequently left the
whole thing in my charge. A patient came in with a small, painful lump in
one breast. There were no symptoms apparent until we got into the history,
then we found this: Frequently she had been at another hospital, a few
months before she came to us. Through the over - zealous acts of a surgeon
of great fame who attended, her breast was amputated and all the glands
taken out - a very fine operation, for which he demanded $1500, and took her
husband's little plumbing business away from him to pay that bill. The
interesting thing to us is that a few months later the other breast began to
get a cancerous condition much the same way - a lump appeared, with all the
same symptoms. She refused to be operated, and I assured her that I did not
think she would have to be. I saw Lac. can. in the symptomatology and Lac
can. was given in the 1M. potency. The result was astonishing. In a few
months that thing had disappeared, the woman's health was perfect, and two
years later she came in periodically to show us that the cure was effective.
You can imagine her emotions when she compared what we had done and what the
surgeon had done. She wanted to pay us a great deal more than we asked. We
insisted that she pay the small price that the clinic demanded of everybody,
and assured her that as physicians, we could take nothing else. She could
hardly get over the fact that for a few cents she was able to receive work
so much superior to that the great surgeon had done.
Don't forget Lac can. in those cases where first one breast is
involved, then the other. You may have to use Lycopodium or Lachesis, of
course. These are both among the list of Dr. Kent's high grade cancer
remedies.
The list is available in the repertories and I don't believe you want
me to take the time to read it. I mentioned Silicea. There is Arsenicum,
Cadmium, Mercurius cor., Phosphorus. Kali bi. is more often indicated in the
true stomach ulcer; I have not found it markedly indicated in the true
cancer, but if related it undoubtedly would come in;

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forms in the body, you cannot ignore the pathogenesis of Arsenic. It has
everything that goes with cancer, but it is more especially indicated, in my
experience, in the gastric, intestinal and skin cases; in the gastric and
intestinal cases, Arsenic is a banner remedy. You all know the indications:
they are > by warm drinks and < by cold drinks, and of course they have the
weakness. Warm drinks are almost the only thing they can tolerate - the very
reverse of Phosphorus, and Phosphorus is more likely to give haemorrhagic
tendencies.
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Dear Soroush,
Clinical experience.

G.H.G. Jahr, one of the few who continued separating proving symtpoms
and symptoms from clinical experience, mentions in his Symptomenkodex of
Ars-a e.g. a cured cancer of tongue, cured cancer of nose etc.

We also find the hints for cancer in Noack/Trinks' Handbuch (handbook)
from 1847, because they as well clearly differentiated the proving
symptoms (called 'effects on the healthy body') from the symptoms gained
from clinical experience (under the chapter 'application according to
the homoeopathic principle').
For Ars-a we have for the latter 5 1/2 pages where ars was helpful,
among them "cancerous cachexia, cancer of the nose, cancer of scrotum,
scirrhous and carcinomatous ulcers...." etc.)

Yet don't forget that the term 'cancer' wasn't clearly defined, many
different diseases may have been subsumed under that expression.

Best,

Gaby

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Gaby Rottler
Germany
rottler@curantur.de

http://www.curantur.de
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Here are some more notes on Ars alb - from Parimal Banerji that some may
find very useful -- the reference to cancer is brief and further down

ARSENICUM ALBUM
The white oxide of Arsenicurn has been mentioned in the Ayurveda and its
usefulness has been written through many pages. Its first use as a medicine
dates from over 4000 years ago in India. This was introduced into
Homoeopathy by Hahnemann.
Being highly toxic, its pharmacology is very large. So, it has been useful
in a wide range of diseases, and its Homoeopathic Materia Medica comprises a
very big list collected mostly from its toxicological symptoms. But it is
interesting that such a drug does not produce any considerable symptom on a
prover when it is in higher potencies. Dr. C. Hering has commented that,
"...the administration of Arsenicum is more often disappointing than that of
any other drug, the cause of which lies in the too numerous collections of
poisonings, and the lack of symptoms produced by higher potencies. "
There are certain symptoms obtained from its toxicology which do not respond
to any potency of this drug, but they are enlisted under this drug in the
old Materia Medica in usual course. During my research, it has been observed
that this drug is useful in all its standard potencies and I could segregate
the symptoms according to the curative values under each potency, which has
never been done before. But Dr. Hughes has observed some difference in the
curability of some of its potencies. My observations about difference in
symptoms in each potency may be very interesting.
Dr. Richard Hughes has experienced clinically that "3rd decimal trituration
is a very useful potency for chronic diarrhoea, and for chronic inflammation
of those tissues to which Arsenic is irritant. The 6th dilution answers
admirably for influenza, coryza, acute serous effusions, and other acute
inflammations to which the drug is Homoeopathic. The potencies from the 6th
upward proven most serviceable in neuralgia, in chronic intermittents, and
in asthma". This proves, that, even when the potencies of Arsenic did not
produce symptoms, Hughes has clinically found out, that the 3rd, 6th and
higher potencies have different values or actions. As I got thousands of
more purposeful studies, I could present specific distinctions for each
potency not only for Arsenic, but also for other drugs. I am happy that Kent
also could note some variations in the effects of some higher potencies. But
nobody worked for finding out the exact jurisdiction of action of each
potency as I did.
This drug in 3rd centesimal potency has got more curative symptoms almost

like those of crude Arsenic poisoning which affects mostly the digestive
system.

It is very important that the area of action of this 3rd potency being
mostly con-

fined to digestive tract, it has no similarity with the 200th, which has got
the chief

area of action on the. skin and its nerves. In the old Materia Medicas
unfortu-

nately we find all these symptoms of all the potencies mixed up together.
And

therefore whoever depended upon the symptoms of those Materia Medicas, was

bound to make the blunder by searching all these symptoms in one patient for

their individualisation. Thus they had to discard Arsenic and find out other
drugs

in its place where other minor symptoms are in majority. The guideline for
Arse-

nic 3 is mostly in stomach symptoms and its similarity is with the
characteristics

of gastric ulcer and pre-ulcerous syndromes. Peptic ulcer is a disease that
I may

call the national disease of Bengal, several thousands of such cases were
availa-

ble for our trials, as our main centres were in this province.
Dr. T.F. Allen's Encyclopaedia has given more than 2870 heads of symptoms.
These symptoms were mostly collected from poisoning of Arsenic published in
the famous Allopathic medical journals. Dr. Allen's list also contains some
symptoms obtained from application of Arsenic on cancerous and other ulcers,
and a few negligible symptoms from the actual proving with 30th, 200th and
1000th potencies. Practically, proving with potencies was hopeless. Dr. C.
Hering has described also a very long list of symptoms, in which he included
1231 symptoms collected by Hahnemann.
NOTES about the mental symptoms of Arsenicum album:

The mental symptoms are not the chief symptoms of a patient who will be
requiring any potency of Arsenicum alb. The mental symptoms as fear of
death, restlessness and the symptoms like burning are not the chief guiding
factors for its selection as has been considered so far by all the
Homoeopaths of the world. But such symptoms may be present in some patients
as members of a composite family of symptoms where the chief characteristic
symptoms are altogether different.

Only in one group of symptoms under Arsenicum alb. 6, this restlessness is
the chief characteristic symptom. 1 would request my readers to look into
the specific groups of symptoms under each potency.
NOTES about the lung symptoms with haemoptysis:

Arsenic in any potency is not good in cases of haemorrhages from the lung
though quite a good number of such symptoms are in its Materia Medicas. In
the clinical trials such cases become worse and difficult to cure, even when
various potencies are tried. Amongst them Ars. 6 is the worst.
NOTES about haemorrhagic symptoms in diseases of the digestive system :

Here also many cases became worse. Especially with the Ars. 6, which put
several cases beyond control, the haemorrhages profusely increased. Stray
cures can occur.
NOTES for precautions in eye diseases :

The patients who have got cataracts or amblyopia due to some chronic
diseases of the eye may get aggravated by the use of Arsenic especially in
the lower potencies like 3 or 6.
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I would have thought that the remedies linked to specific Dx were done
so by experience
Cancer will often exhibit Ars Sx

Simon
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Dear Joy

Do you have Herscu's books on proving?
"If you would like to widen your horizons, I'd recommend reading Paul
Herscu's 2 volume work, "Provings". Volume 1 outlines many of the
contentious issues surrounding proving protocols which have been discussed
and debated in our community for many decades. There is a definition and
explanation of the protocol he uses, as well as the proving of Alcoholus.
Volume 2 is a collection of historical and contemporary essays on provings
which should encourage all of us to research the subject more deeply for
ourselves."
Rgds
Soroush

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