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Re: Fear of the Invisible book on viruses & polio and AIDS and HIV

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:25 pm
by Sheri Nakken
INCREDIBLE new book by Janine Roberts - just finished it - will be meeting with her sometime in the next few weeks (she lives just 90 minutes from me)

Fear of the Invisible book on Polio and AIDS and HIV (and makes you question all the other things blamed on 'viruses', ie measles, mumps, chickenpox, rubella, flu, etc)

She goes into great detail on the actual lies about polio to include how the vaccine is made and how NEVER proved to be infectious
(some of Jim West's great info here and credited to him and his pages)

Viruses NOT what you have been taught that they are
Produced by our own bodies to do a job!

And then she goes on into HIV and AIDS and the insanity of this link - NEVER proven.........money and ego driven..........you will be sickened even more than you may already be now

The lives that have been lost or damaged due to the lies about Polio and the lies about HIV and AIDS

I highly recommend this if you want to know how virology has NOT A CLUE about what they want you to believe they know so much about

The lunatics are in charge of the asylum for sure

Sheri

Link to book in the US
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN= ... llwithinA/

Link to book in the UK


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Fear of the Invisible
by Janine Roberts
isbn 0955917727, amazon.com

An Investigative Journey into a reckless and contaminated Medical Industry

This book takes its readers on a journey into the very heart of the hunt for viruses - to the key experiments performed to prove that these innvisibly small particles cause diseases that often were previously blamed on toxins or bacteria. It sheds light on the extraordinary assumptions underlying much of this research into viruses - and the resulting vaccinees and antiviral medicines.

The author, an investigative journalist who researched and produced investigative films for the BBC, American and Australian television, was asked by parents with children severely ill after vaccination to discover if the medical authorities were hiding anything from them. She agreed, but had no idea how long this search would take or how it would change her ideas. She expected at best to uncover a small degree of contamination.

On the ensuing decade-long journey of discovery, she found top government scientists report alarmingly, at meetings between scientists, that it is impossible to purify vaccines. They stated that the childhood vaccines of today are contaminated with viruses from chickens, humans and monkeys, with RNA and DNA fragments, with "cellular degradation products," and possibly "oncogenes and prions."

They say they dare not tell the pubic about all this contamination - as they might demand a withdrawal of the vaccines. Thus the public is not told despite all the consequences of such contamination for long-term public health. A US court decision in 2008 has linked autism with vaccine contamination. The author cites her sources by name - and gives references and IInternet links where they are available.

There is much research here that has not been reported elsewhere. She reveals, for example, that the World Health Organization (WHO) knows the MMR vaccine is contaminated with chicken leukosis virus, yet has decided not to tell the public and to continue to make the vaccine with eggs from contaminated chickens. She doubts the accuracy of their research, as it is based on discovering an enzyme, RT, not a virus, but they believe it is very dangerous to chickens and potentially to children. They stay silent because to confess this would reveal that they cannot purify the vaccines given to our children.

She reports US biowarfare researchers tried to create new agents to destroy human immune systems - and reported working on a bacterium to makee it a hospital superbug. Did they manage to create HIV? She thought it unlikely as military personnel were not AIDS first victims. Besides there was a more likely alternative. A senior professor told her the vaccine program was so contaminated and chimps were used in vaccine manufacturing so widely, that HIV could easily have spread in a vaccine without any need for military intervention. She then set out to find why HIV spread so far and so fast. Was it in a vaccine? She needed to know more about HIV so went to the foundation research widely held today to have found this virus and proved it caused AIDS.

She was then rocked to discover that this key HIV research was investigated for scientific fraud by powerful US scientific institutions and by Congress. Why is this not widely known? These reported major errors in this research, with some errors so serious that the inquiries said they made it impossible to repeat these experiments and verify them! She reveals the evidence unearthed - reproducing key documents so the reader can assess themm for themselves. This is explosive material.

She then finds the faults in researching HIV apply also to other viruses. She goes to the key experiments and can find none in which pure samples of viruses were produced and proved to cause particular human diseases. If they cannot purify viruses for use in vaccines, they cannot produce the pure cultures needed to link with certitude viruses with diseases.

The book discusses in detail the attack on the Perth group in an Australian court in 2007. During this many HIV experts said again and again - 'but we don't isolate other viruses. `it is not only HIV that we do not isolate.' They described how they produced the flu and measles virus. The author shows how measles virus is produced according to the latest CDC guidelines. it is as strange as anything done with HIV. At no point is the virus actually detected and identified.

A major part of the book takes its readers on a journey through various aspects of HIV theory, such as sexual transmission, the different clinical definitions of AIDS, why AIDS is said to be caused by HIV and at the same time is said to happen in the absence of HIV, and why the HIV test picks up on different diseases in the West and in Africa.

In the final part of this book the author reports recent research that is revolutionizing biology and offering much hope for the future. These new developments shed new light on the relationships between our cells and viruses. They are not necessarily enemies. Readers may find these new developments will radically change the ideas they have held about viruses all their lives.

The preface is contributed by Dr Roberto Giraldo. The book has hundreds of scientific references, a scientific glossary and an index.

http://www.rethinkingaids.com/tabid/122/Default.aspx
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm & http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases - next classes start in September

Re: Fear of the Invisible book on viruses & polio and AIDS and HIV

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:39 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Sheri,
I won't re-awaken the whole debate, except I'd like to try one more
time to understand this one point:
If AIDS is not contagious (which I *think* is part of what you've
asserted), then how is it that it's (almost) always been traceable,
back thru a chain of infected contacts?

I do realize that very similar syndrome can be caused by agents which
are *not* infectious--malnutrition, and certain toxicities, for
instance. I don't dispute that; and I don't dispute that some cases
which are *called* AIDS may well have toxic origins.

But most cases in the US, the only links--and they have generally been
very *clear* links--have been to also-infected contacts with whom body
fluid was shared.

If we for the moment confine consideration to US cases where
malnutrition and toxicity are apparently not factors *and* where there
has been an undisputed sharing of body fluids with a (so-called)
AIDS-infected person, how do these folks explain the patterns?

Shannon

Re: Fear of the Invisible book on viruses & polio and AIDS and HIV

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:59 pm
by Sheri Nakken
At 03:37 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote:
Show me where that is the case?

If there are such contacts, do they have the same drug use?
I have never seen such proof - I challenge you to prove that.
This book goes into even more detail than you've seen before on the
whole issue and how whacko Gallo really is
Again, prove the patterns

A certain community may have similar behaviors related to drug use.
Sheri
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm & http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood
Diseases - next classes start in September

Re: Fear of the Invisible book on viruses & polio and AIDS and HIV

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:40 pm
by Shannon Nelson
On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:
Well, for instance the entire history of (as it's called) AIDS in the
united states. Beginning with Patient Zero and his infected
contacts... was it dozens, or was it even more? The patterns of
emergence of cases was extremely clear.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Why are you asking? I'm *certain* you
read and remember all of this, just as I do; probably more clearly
because of your nursing background.
The epidemiological studies. The history of AIDS in the US.
How could I prove it? I'm not a doctor nor a researcher. But there is
such a HUGE body of work by people who *are* doctors and
researchers--and have zero financial or other stake in any "story"
about its causes--I don't see how one can dismiss all of this as
conspiracy or ignorance.

Does he claim they are lying, or what?
Who's Gallo?

Again, of course I cannot prove it. Would you like me to look up book
titles so you could read about it? If you're going to try to trash the
commonly accepted theory, shouldn't you at least know a little bit
about what you're trying to trash?

Am I wrong in my assumption that you've at least *read* the material
about how AIDS came to the US, and its early history? Okay, maybe I
got more exposure since I was living just across the Bay from San
Francisco at the time, and had lots of gay friends and
friends-of-friends. It was a very "live" issue in my circle.

So--have you *not* read the early history of AIDS?
The patterns were--and have continued to be--very clear, at least in
certain US populations where toxicity and malnutrition have NOT in
general been problems. And where AIDS cases have (nearly) always been
traceable to an infected contact.

If someone wants us to believe that all of that is hooey and mythology,
then *they* should be prepared to "prove" (as you say) that those
apparent patterns can be explained away in some other way. And no,
similar drug use does *not* account for it. As you would know, if
you'd been reading the accounts as they were coming out, along the way.

Shannon

Fear of the Invisible book on viruses & polio and AIDS and HIV

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:48 pm
by healthinfo6
The facts don't support your conspiracy theories:

"New York City remains the epicenter of the HIV/AIDS epidemic in the U.S. More than 100,000 New Yorkers are living with HIV, but thousands don't know they're infected. New York City has the highest AIDS case rate in the country, with more AIDS cases than Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami, and Washington DC combined. HIV is the 3rd leading cause of death below age 65 in New York City. HIV is also the health problem with the largest racial disparity; 80% of new AIDS diagnoses and deaths are among African Americans and Hispanics. Prevention, testing, and treatment programs are being expanded, but more must be done."

http://home2.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/ah/ah.shtml

I guess NYC babies and children under 13, who are living and dying with HIV+ and AIDs were having unprotected sex, using poppers or their mothers put amyl nitrate in their baby bottles plus have bad diets, no medical care and live in squalor.

Pediatric Adolescent HIV/AIDS - NYC

Pediatric HIV/AIDS surveillance in New York City (NYC) measures trends in prevention of perinatal HIV transmission, trends in perinatal HIV transmission rates, and morbidity and mortality of HIV infected children who were first diagnosed with HIV infection before 13 years of age. This report contains information on 3,895 children infected through perinatal transmission and diagnosed through December 31, 2006. An additional 88 children were infected through non-perinatal risk (81 through contaminated blood products). Data on 6,976 perinatally HIV-exposed uninfected or indeterminate children from 22 NYC sites are presented with data on trends in perinatal HIV prevention; they represent about two-thirds of such children in NYC. HIV infection status is defined according to the CDC definition (MMWR 1999; 48 (RR-13): 1-36) with a modification for presumed uninfected to include children with at least two negative DNA polymerase chain reaction tests between 1 and 3 months of age, one at 2 months of age or older, and no positive HIV diagnostic tests. This report also contains information on 13,493 HIV-infected youth, diagnosed with HIV infection between 13 and 24 years of age, of whom 3,596 were diagnosed during 2001-2006.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/p ... t-2007.pdf

Susan
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Re: Fear of the Invisible book on viruses & polio and AIDS and HIV

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:55 pm
by Jennifer Ruby
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Re: Fear of the Invisible book on viruses & polio and AIDS and HIV

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:30 pm
by healthinfo6
Before I discovered the homeopathy miracle, I went to see Gary Null.
He ran around all day with an IV drip attached. That was when he was
advocating megavitamins. He has since reversed that stance.

Susan

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer Ruby" wrote:
q=Deconstructing+the+Myth+of+Aids&hl=en&emb=0#
informative.
polio and AIDS and HIV
the U.S. More than 100,000 New Yorkers are living with HIV, but
thousands don't know they're infected. New York City has the highest
AIDS case rate in the country, with more AIDS cases than Los Angeles,
San Francisco, Miami, and Washington DC combined. HIV is the 3rd
leading cause of death below age 65 in New York City. HIV is also the
health problem with the largest racial disparity; 80% of new AIDS
diagnoses and deaths are among African Americans and Hispanics.
Prevention, testing, and treatment programs are being expanded, but
more must be done."
dying with HIV+ and AIDs were having unprotected sex, using poppers
or their mothers put amyl nitrate in their baby bottles plus have bad
diets, no medical care and live in squalor.
trends in prevention of perinatal HIV transmission, trends in
perinatal HIV transmission rates, and morbidity and mortality of HIV
infected children who were first diagnosed with HIV infection before
13 years of age. This report contains information on 3,895 children
infected through perinatal transmission and diagnosed through
December 31, 2006. An additional 88 children were infected through
non-perinatal risk (81 through contaminated blood products). Data on
6,976 perinatally HIV-exposed uninfected or indeterminate children
from 22 NYC sites are presented with data on trends in perinatal HIV
prevention; they represent about two-thirds of such children in NYC.
HIV infection status is defined according to the CDC definition (MMWR
1999; 48 (RR-13): 1-36) with a modification for presumed uninfected
to include children with at least two negative DNA polymerase chain
reaction tests between 1 and 3 months of age, one at 2 months of age
or older, and no positive HIV diagnostic tests. This report also
contains information on 13,493 HIV-infected youth, diagnosed with HIV
infection between 13 and 24 years of age, of whom 3,596 were
diagnosed during 2001-2006.
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Re: Fear of the Invisible book on viruses & polio and AIDS and HIV

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:31 pm
by johndoo8
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caused by the toxic treatments to those who buy into the diagnosis.
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Re: Fear of the Invisible book on viruses & polio and AIDS and HIV

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:31 pm
by healthinfo6
My dear Sheri,

Plenty of people test HIV+, are asymptomatic and do not begin anti-
retroval drugs. They wait. Many of those go on to develop AIDS.
What do you want someone to do whose T-cells have dropped below 75
and now have Karposi's sarcoma, pneumonia, etc.? They either begin
taking drugs or die rather quickly. The drugs didn't cause AIDS in
those cases.

Susan

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Re: Fear of the Invisible book on viruses & polio and AIDS and HIV

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:10 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Thanks Jennifer,
This looks interesting (tho I'll have to finish watching later).
They began with a series of statements similar to what Sheri's been
saying, e.g. in particular that "it has not been proved" that AIDS is
contagious, nor that it's spread thru sexual contact. I hope to watch
further and see whether they are able to defend those statements.

Much of what they're saying I don't think most of us would argue with:
the drugs are not that great; the drugs are harmful; the drugs are
often unneeded. (Perhaps later they'll talk about how they feel it
*should* be treated?); the health care industry functions more as a
money-churner than as a health builder (I'm paraphrasing liberally).

Some parts of it I wish there were dates with!!!! The clips of people
talking about "no virus has been found" etc., I would love to know how
old those are, and whether that is in fact the current situation?

But again, when they say there is "no evidence" that AIDS is contagious
or that it's spread by sexual contact, I find that an incredible
statement (in both senses of the word).

One speaker talks sarcastically about about how "AIDS is so clever that
it know to cause Kaposi's sarcoma in gay men, and (something else) in
drug users, and (something else) in hemophiliacs"--implication being,
how could these all be the same "disease"?
differences among the various groups; also of course many other
differences. Part of the reason that AIDS was given this
extraordinarily non-descriptive name--not Kaposi-getter's syndrome or
whatever, but the very broad term "immune deficiency", is that it's not
a disease of tumors or of pneumonia or of anorexia, etc.--it's a
disease (syndrome) where the system collapses, begins to fail in
*multiple* ways. What fails first and worst, would certainly depend on
which links are weakest, which systems have already been compromised,
etc.
different people (bruises? colds? scurvy?); need for any given remedy
shows up differently in different people and situations.

Okay, enough from me. Again. :-)