Minutus

I am looking for a homeopath in Berks County PA.
I have come across someone who calls herself a naturopathic doctor.
She says that she incorporates many natural healing methods such as
reflexology, and vitamin therapy into her practice.

I thought that classical homeopaths were kind of against vitamins and
manipuation of the body?

Any suggestions on whether or not I should make an appointment?

If I do see her, what are some things I should ask her about her
practice.
Thanks
Pamela

Dear Pam
Simply ask her where she qualified as a homeopath and then check it out.
Vitamins:
In my view, a healthy person on a good broad fresh diet should be able to get all the nutrients required from their diet.
However, there are cases where vitamin deficiency is noticeable and therefore it becomes a 'maintaining' cause of illness.
Here the position needs to be remedied. Best through natural means - ie more of some foods and balancing the diet and if necessary through supplements. (For example to absorb Calcium on requires other chemicals - just more calcium on its own will not help much.)
However, one of the things I advise patients who have a 'vitamin habit' is to calculate for example the amount of Vit A in their tablet in weight of carrots - and then see if they could eat that much of carrots in one sitting.
Excess vitamins can over burden the liver and other organs.
Rgds
Soroush

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Subject: [Minutus] Can a Naturopathic be a homeopath?
I am looking for a homeopath in Berks County PA.
I have come across someone who calls herself a naturopathic doctor.
She says that she incorporates many natural healing methods such as
reflexology, and vitamin therapy into her practice.

I thought that classical homeopaths were kind of against vitamins and
manipuation of the body?

Any suggestions on whether or not I should make an appointment?

If I do see her, what are some things I should ask her about her
practice.
Thanks
Pamela
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Dear Pamela,
You'll get as many kinds of answers to this question as kinds of practitioner who want to call themselves homoeopaths. Let's ask what Hahnemann would say a homoeopath might include. The basis of the discovery of homoeopathy was Hahnemann's exclusion of all forms of polypharmacy as hocus-pocus. The effect of a medicine acting alone in deranging health can be precisely observed and ascribed to that medicine. The effect of a medicine acting alone to restore health can be precisely observed and ascribed to that medicine. An obvious relationship between the two, the relationship named homoeopathic, can be precisely observed repeatedly.
But the ability to apply that relationship to restore health depends on there being no insuperable "obstacles", and that's where sunlight, exercise, conviviality, clean water, fresh air, good food, and just possibly vitamin and mineral supplements may come in: to allow the organism the resources -- i.e. the non-medicinal, environmental influences -- that it needs in order to respond appropriately to the single medicinal influence that can help it restore health.
The action of something like acupuncture or reflexology does not fall into the category of an environmental influence or resource. Rather, it has the kind of action that medicines have: potentially capable of restoring health through appropriate application of the knowledge of its capability of deranging it.
Certain kinds of obstacles, for instance miasmatic ones, may call for a certain medicinal influence to act before a second medicine can act. But, due to the very basis of homoepathy, which is observation of the effects of a single medicinal influence and the predictability of its effects in an illness resembling the illness it can cause, such an obstacle never calls for simultaneous application of two influences capable of deranging health, such as two medicines or one medicine and simultaneous reflexology or acupuncture treatment.
To apply both a homoeopathic remedy and, say, reflexology to affect a patient simultaneously, no matter how much both may be appropriate at one time or another, is therefore something that no true homoeopath will ever do except in utter desperation. This is a different matter from prescribing a "supplementary" vitamin to affect the patient at the same as a prescribed homoeopathic remedy. Of course, the wise prescriber will generally not commence both a supplement and a homoeopathic medicine simultaneously, as changes in the patient's health will otherwise not be precisely ascribable to one or the other. And one must always beware what a "supplement" contains. But the concurrent influence of the two, one nutritional (unless prescribed in overdose or containing more ingredients than purely nutritional ones) and the other medicinal, does not of itself compromise homoeopathic principles.
I hope that that helps.
Kind regards,
John
2008/8/17 Pamela >

Naturopaths usually get only a smattering of homeopathy in their
training, if any at all. If a naturopath does homeopathy it is due to
their ongoing education in this protocol. You need to ask about
their training and their committment to classical homeopathy. many
will say they do homeopathy but basically give out combinations in
a formula manner; ie, this one is for bladder, this one is for stomach, etc.
this is not real homeopathy.
as for nutritional supplements--there is obviously a range of opinions.
mine is that there is no way that people can get enough nutrition out
of the depleted foods on the market today. stress eats up several
of the vitamins (B's & C) and in our stressed out world that is another
cause of deficiencies. and needless to say illness of allsorts skews
the nutrition.
i would agree with others that starting people on a new homeopathic
remedy and a bunch of supplements is counterproductive as it becomes
impossible to see what doing what in the body.
tanya

On Aug 17, 2008, at 3:32 AM, wrote:
Ah, a *healthy* person, on a "good broad fresh diet". True, a person
who is already healthy probably doesn't need to take vitamins!
But that's not a very meaningful comparison.
Better, IMO, is to become very familiar with what the deficiency and
excess *symptoms* of the vitamins are; to know *why* you are taking
each thing, and to stop taking it if it is not helping.

Deficient vitamins can do many "bad things", and that situation is far
more common than excess! Tho again I agree, one needs to also be
familiar with risks of excess, and pay attention. With vitamin A, the
amounts that are *today* said to be potentially toxic (anything over
10,000 IU I recently read?) were in earlier years said to be barely
even therapeutic. There's a lot of nonsense being written these
days... Best to know your body, and know your "tools".

(And it's a very common observation that when one is "on a good remedy"
one very often *doesn't* need the vitamins etc. that had been needed
before. What a treat!)

Shannon

Some of the foremost homeopaths in the US are naturopaths by training, and I believe call themselves naturopaths. For starters, the Ullmans in Washington State and Amy Rothenberg and husband Paul Herscu in Connecticut, if I am not mistaken. They are classical homeopaths but use naturopathy as well, at least to some extent. I would consult any of them in a flash, if it were possible. Teresa (Northern VA)
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Subject: [Minutus] Can a Naturopathic be a homeopath?
I am looking for a homeopath in Berks County PA.
I have come across someone who calls herself a naturopathic doctor.
She says that she incorporates many natural healing methods such as
reflexology, and vitamin therapy into her practice.

I thought that classical homeopaths were kind of against vitamins and
manipuation of the body?

Any suggestions on whether or not I should make an appointment?

If I do see her, what are some things I should ask her about her
practice.
Thanks
Pamela

It seems that overall naturapathy is very compatible with
homeopathy--*but* I think very important to realize that a naturapathy
degree alone gives only minimal training in homeopathy. And what I've
found disturbing is that at least some naturapaths do not *realize*
that they have only minimal training in it, and think that *their*
limits with homeopathy have to do with *homeopathy's* limits. E.g. I
saw one who talked about how homeopathy can't treat acute disease, and
works very slowly, so she only uses is as an occasional adjunct to
vitamins etc. I thought that was quite a shame...

The folks you mention below have (as I know you're aware, Teresa!)
taken *years* of additional training and study; far beyond their
naturapathy degree. Pamela--from the way you quote her explanation, it
does not *sound* as tho homeopathy is her main modality, so she
probably does not have the additional training--but would be good to
ask! If you do need to look farther, one good starting point might be

www.homeopathy-cures.org, and click the Find-A-Homeopath button.
Another is

http://nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org; under the heading "Proving
Service...", click "Practitioner" to enter the practitioner directory.

Good luck!
Shannon

one needs to understand that the fda limits are ONLY minimum
levels needed to stay alive an a barely functioning manner. in other
words, they are pretty much bogus. they support the disease
paradigm of Big Pharma, etc.

10,000 IU Vit A is a very small amount. if you took 100,000-
150,000 IU a day for about 6

i apologize for my computer glitches. it sends things out before i am ready
to develop a yellowish hue. that is an awful lot of vit a to create a
problem. most people don't do that!

there are other fat soluable vitamins such as vit d which can
accumulate in the system. synthetic vit d is/can be toxic while
not being well absorbed. vit d3 is the form needed by the body,
but also should not be overdone and should be monitored. but
today most people are vit d3 deficient since they dont get enough
skin exposure to sun to have the body mftr it.

and most people do not eat organic produce and get the recommended
7 portions of fruits and vegetables a day.

but the fda supports a food pyramid that includes sugar and white flour.!
i assume people know that the type A school lunch promoted for decades
in the usa counts ketchup as a vegetable and jello as a fruit! while there
is some movement to change these standards due to increasing obesity and
diabetes in young people, the efforts are very small on the whole.

as for vit a in carrots---we get vit a from numerous sources which should
be part of the daily diet--eggs, dark green leafy vegetables to name a
couple
of sources. we should be getting large amounts of vit a, not the puny
amount
that is most commonly eaten.

that is why people do need supplements. they don't eat enough of the right
foods, and eat poor quality foods grown in depleted soils, and get far too
much exposure to toxic chemicals not only from food, but the air, water,
cleaning products and body products they everyone uses.

tanya
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tablet

yes, but as previously noted, these people made a special and separate
study of homeopathy. and that is what needs to be ascertained if dealing with
a naturopath
tanya
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