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From: repertoriumvirosum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repertoriumvirosum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of suriya56
Sent: 12 August 2008 02:32
To: repertoriumvirosum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repertorium Virosum] Migraine clip
I have just finished editing Autistic Spectrum Disorder and Migraine
from the Malaysian Chronic Miasm Approach Seminar by Dr Shahrdar.

You can view a clip here



regards

Suriya
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Feline migraines, I presume.
Theresa

No , human migraine. Understanding the miasmatic aetiology of migraine
helps in the remedy prescription .

regards

Suriya
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, " Theresa Partington" wrote:

Hi Suriya,

I looked at the clip and found it very instructive and easy to
understand. I also understand its usefulness.

The below is not addressed at you - I am referring to a discussion on
minuts some time ago about "software and students/beginners).

The clip strengthens my reservations about using software,
The use of it is fine for people like Ardavan, yourself and probably
many other - those who, as Ardavan showed, have a good to excellent
knowledge of the materia medica and the respertories (quote from the
clip: "you have to read the repertories page by page").

For the rest of us it is too mechanical. You punch in the symptoms and
leave the judgement of what is important to the software (the first
10 remedies are...).

Although I am just a computer freak "very light" I know enough to be
aware of the limitations of computers/software. They are fast, they
can calculate - but they have no judgement.

From many discussions on the German list, from homeopaths who have
studied the shortcomings of the repertories, I know that a lot of
judgement should be exercised in their use. This can be done when
using the software but the push is in the opposite direction.

Especially since many people do not work the way Ardavan and you
demonstrate, i. e. carefully select, from lots of information the
patient gives you, the relevant symptoms. By the time you (and
most authors/lecturers) present the case this work has already been
done!! Many people will instead punch in many, many more symptoms.
Some because their method asks for that, some because they
are not (yet) competent enough to decide which symptoms a relevant to
the case at hand.

For all the above reasons the "top ten" remedies may not be all that
significant.

The above applies to all computer repping.

Up to now at least the part of finding the miasmatic remedy was
somewhat different - at least when using the .pdf format (I do not
know about the software). We were led to the virus page, where, besides the
important remedies, we also found a lot of additional information,
which would prompt us to take a look and do some thinking.

The method Ardavan demonstrates in teh clip takes this prompt away.

I know that only a small minority of homeopaths think as I do - but I
do think that software should be used by experienced homeopaths only.

Regards

Luise
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Dear Luise
A good Homoeopath should know the tools of his trade well - These are extensive knowledge and understanding of MM and of course as an aid to MM, the repertory.
No repertory is complete or perfect.
However, the computerised repertories allow you to search for words or sometimes ideas.
When at college we had to use book repertories for our final exams.
The principals remain the same. One has to select the relevant symptoms first and then try and find the closes rubric that fits it.
Again if you have selected your symptoms first and ranked them, the computer can actually assist you in finding the rubric.
This is demonstrated over and over again on Minutus by colleagues seeking help for finding the right rubric.
What this calls for is a lot of practise.
The computer version of RV is of course fast and useful. Ardavan advises that RV2 is even better and easier.
I shall soon find out.
I think what Ardavan has done is a major break through in the Science and Art of homeopathy.
First he has made sense of Hn's miasm ideas and has now given a practical way of using it to achieve very high degree of accuracy in the selection of the similimum.
Rgds
Soroush

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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Luise Kunkle
Sent: 15 August 2008 14:11
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re:[Repertorium Virosum] Migraine clip
Hi Suriya,

I looked at the clip and found it very instructive and easy to
understand. I also understand its usefulness.

The below is not addressed at you - I am referring to a discussion on
minuts some time ago about "software and students/beginners).

The clip strengthens my reservations about using software,
The use of it is fine for people like Ardavan, yourself and probably
many other - those who, as Ardavan showed, have a good to excellent
knowledge of the materia medica and the respertories (quote from the
clip: "you have to read the repertories page by page").

For the rest of us it is too mechanical. You punch in the symptoms and
leave the judgement of what is important to the software (the first
10 remedies are...).

Although I am just a computer freak "very light" I know enough to be
aware of the limitations of computers/software. They are fast, they
can calculate - but they have no judgement.

From many discussions on the German list, from homeopaths who have
studied the shortcomings of the repertories, I know that a lot of
judgement should be exercised in their use. This can be done when
using the software but the push is in the opposite direction.

Especially since many people do not work the way Ardavan and you
demonstrate, i. e. carefully select, from lots of information the
patient gives you, the relevant symptoms. By the time you (and
most authors/lecturers) present the case this work has already been
done!! Many people will instead punch in many, many more symptoms.
Some because their method asks for that, some because they
are not (yet) competent enough to decide which symptoms a relevant to
the case at hand.

For all the above reasons the "top ten" remedies may not be all that
significant.

The above applies to all computer repping.

Up to now at least the part of finding the miasmatic remedy was
somewhat different - at least when using the .pdf format (I do not
know about the software). We were led to the virus page, where, besides the
important remedies, we also found a lot of additional information,
which would prompt us to take a look and do some thinking.

The method Ardavan demonstrates in teh clip takes this prompt away.

I know that only a small minority of homeopaths think as I do - but I
do think that software should be used by experienced homeopaths only.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Dear Luise and all

I wish I could load some more clips and you will see it is not about
simplicity only but about knowing the disease process and knowing the
patient , but, it just takes too long to do it !
For individualization the most important rubrics are what is SRP in
the case.

For example in migraine , between vomiting during the headache and
blurred vision before , the blurred vision would rank higher since
less people who get migraine would have this symptom.

Indeed Ardavan is a walking repertory because he knows what rubrics
are where and he got like this because he pours over paper repertories
daily..he says his first rep is in shambles!

For miasmatic repertorizing however, we look for the general symptoms
rather than the individualising because we are looking for the viral
footprint which even the chronic miasm will have. A chronic miasm is
the energy of the original infection without there being a need for
the virus to actually still be there.

If it is very clear and there is only one possible viral miasm ,then
go straight to the remedies for that viral miasm and use this list to
compare with the individualising list .

If there are more than one remedy which matches both list , go to the
materia medica and see which one is more characteristic and matches
the patient.

It does not mean we have to be very exact , after all even partial
fits will move the case if well selected , and , we can zig zag to the
cure , as is described in the Organon.

regards

Suriya
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
to MM,

Hi Soroush,

I have no objections to anything you say below.

To the homeopaths you pre-suppose everything you say applies.

(see at the end)
Here I also agree with the same reservations as above - it is so for
the homeopath who has mastered Ardavan's approach.

For those beginners who "learn by doing" it would
IMO be better to start our without using computer software. But I have
just myself to base my opinion on - things may be different for most
other homeopaths.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Sorry Suriya,
I have looked at the clip and thought it very interesting. In fact I have joined the group.
I had just been getting a bit fed up with all this cat stuff and it was my clumsy attempt at making that point!
Theresa

Hi Luise,

I have not had a chance to watch the clip yet, so my reply below is not
with reference to that at all, but more general.

Do you mean that only a small minority of homeopaths feel that computer
repertories can lead one astray, if you leave the decision making to
them, rather than applying a homeopath's knowledge of materia medica?
If that's what you mean, I think you are mistaken! You are *very*
right that the sodftware cannot be trusted to know "what's important",
and that the needed remedy may not be in the "top 10"--or top
*whatever*!

The process has to start with appropriate rubric choice, and that's not
a mechanical process.

The next step is to *evaluate* each remedy, based on materia medica
(and/or your prior understanding of the remedy) and see whether it
*suits* the case or not.

Sometimes good rubric-picking isn't enough, e.g. if the remedy is not
well represented in the repertory. Which brings me to a post I was
trying to finish, but will send now anyway, because I think it's
relevant (as well as, I hope, interesting for other reasons). See my
next...

Shannon

Hi Shannon,
No, I am not quite as arrogant as that:-)

I just mean that most homeopaths do not think that there is much
danger of it happening to the not-so-experienced homeopath in spite of
that knowledge. I think there is. That is the difference (concerning
the aspect you mentioned)

Regards

Luise
If that's

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One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
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