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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Luise Kunkle wrote:
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One thought to all who, free from doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
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Hi Luise,

It's pretty hard to compare the two situations form so far apart!
But for a try, let me mention some of the supplements that are commonly
available (in health food stores that is) here, and see how they
correspond to what you have?

Multiviitamin and vitamin B supplements:
potency (some are pretty much just dessicated foods!) to high potency
(up to 100 mg each, of single B vitamins and also complexes that
include anywhere from several to a half-dozen or so of the Bs)
with or without bioflavinoids, various formulas...
wide array of choices for e.g. mix of
vitamins-and-minerals-and-herbs-and-etc. (My favorite one has about 8
mg of each of B1, 2, 6; plus a wide variety of other Bs, minerals,
herbs, and co-factors. Nearly *all* have too little pantothenic acid
and too little niacin, tho. I think they're "saving space"!)

Vitamins A, D and E in various forms (oil / dry; natural / sythetic;
and the E in a choice of alpha tocopherol or mixed)

There's such a HUGE array of others! Hundreds of herbs, dozens of
mineral formulas; NAC, Co-Q10; ALA, DHA, DHEA... Yikes, can't list!
Also formulas intended for specific purposes: gut health, endocrine
organe, "male" and "female" concerns...

So you so far seem to have full access to everything of that sort?
Echinacea is still as available and inexpensive (in a reasonably potent
form) as any other herb? Can't think what else I should ask about...

Shannon

while codex has not been used directly to attack homeopathy,
the current attack is based on the hubris derived from the codex
process. without that initiative which gives such power to the
big pharmaceutical corporations hubris to control all health, the
battle against homeopathy would not have the bit money support
that it has.

please do not be fooled into a complacent mode.

and from what i have heard from others in germany, it does not have
anywhere's near the extent of supplements available as we do in the usa.
further the costs under codex just about tripled.

tanya

Hi Shannon,
Probably not so high doses in one tablet - I don't know whether that
is because of the codex or for other reasons.
Yes - all there

Also all there.
All there. Shelves full: in Pharmacies, drug stores, health food
stores, supermarkets.

Yes
Is available in the potencies, as mother tincture, as candy!:-)

Everything in great variety. Also glandular tissue (in all sorts of
potencies) for injection - you name it, we have it.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Hi Tanya, List,
Interesting.

Could you tell a bit more **specifically** how this derives from the
codex?

without that initiative which gives such power to the

Well, in Germany at least they are in the business of making vitamins
etc. themselves.

the

Any examples of what supplements available in the USA we do not have
in Germany?

Well, I don't remember anything like that - anyway, on googling I
found:

http://www.evitamins.com/searchpagenew. ... d=Thiamine

Twinlab B1 tabs **100** mg, 100 caps $ 7.99

in Germany

Rationpharm B1 **200** mg 100 tabs. Eu 8.69.

I could not find anything exactly corresponding.

With the price you have to remember that the exchange rate of the Eu.
has been like this only for a very few years. Not too long ago Eu. 1
was e. g. like $ US 1. This has nothing to do with the codex.

I am not trying to defend the codex. I know far too little about it to
take sides.

But in order to convince me and other so far impartial people resp.
those who do not know about it, facts should be left as facts. What
your acquaintances in Germany told you does not appear to be fact, as
far as I could find out.

I also read on a German site of adversaries to the codex that Vit C
can no longer be got as tablets above 200 mgs (I think it was) at
reasonable price . This is probably true, but it is not the whole
truth. Vit C can be had as powder (ascorbic acid) at very low price -
and of the powder you can obviously take as much as you want.

This kind of arguing IMO hurts the cause!

Anyway, my point is:

A nation having but a small and not very strongly equipped army should
find out where the aggressions happen and fight there.

Likewise, a small and not very strong group should take the utmost
care to find out where it should fight. So far, from a European point
of view, the codex has not been hurting where it has been in force. So
far it does not seem that our adversaries are are using IT - they are
using many other approaches.

E. g. the Nosode issue. In most European countries it is too late to
fight - the matter has been snuck in while people have fought against
the codex. In the UK the same thing could happen. Therre it may not
yet be too late to fight the implementation of the European rules -
but I hear of no-one taking the matter up.

The tendency in Europe goes in the direction that only MD's may either
practice homeopathy or that only they may prescribe higher potencies
(as it has been in France). This would mean the end to most
classical homeopaths and probably reduce classical homeopathy to an
insignificant apppendix of "Complimentary Alternative Medicine".
No-one bats an eyelash.

In the UK it seems that the adversaries focus on homeopathy being
potentially dangerous. The classicals keep backing up this argument
by:

Claiming that we do not need "allopathic medicine", which can be taken
to mean that we fail to send patients to the MDs where necessary. This
is a very serious charge, indeed, and should be argued against again
and again.

Claiming that vaccinations are unnecessary because there are no
pathogens. This agains suggests that we try and influence our patients
against vaccination by using nonsense arguments, instead of showing
them the pros and cons.

Claiming that homeopathic remedies can be very dangerous if not
prescribed by a specific method, those methods being at great variance
to another.

Thus, in the UK there are 4 very dangerous issues that homeopaths
should use their force against. Those issues are of very acute
significance - the codex is not.

I have above concentrated on the UK because both I and the other list
members know something about. In Germany the issues are similar.

In the other countries homeopaths should give the matter a lot of
thoughts in order to where the enemy has been striking and is
liable to strike next!

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Hi Luise,
you can buy also with more than 200 mg:
Vit C 1000 mg
(find in Rote Liste)
20 Filmtbl. 1000 mg 6,75 (Wörwag)
50 Filmtbl. 1000 mg 13,63 (Wörwag)
Gisa

Luise,

From what I've been learning about the Codex-- which, as I've said, I
still feel is very superficial-- we really need to be very concerned
about it.

Dr. Rima Laibow has made it a very serious endeavor to educate the
public as to what it is truly all about. Check out her website,
www.healthfreedomusa.org, then click on "Codex Crash Course" and
"About Codex". She currently has apparently a few hundred thousand on
her e-mail list and works feverishly traveling the world and keeping
up on what is going on with the Codex. (She's currently in Geneva at
the Codex Convention.)

It seems to boil down to governmental control over our health care and
what we have access to. I used to live in Germany (in college), and
know that this isn't thought too much of there. But, unfortunately,
here in America, we have a government under the very strong influence
of the wealthy pharmaceuticals/vaccine makers and other big entities
such as Monsanto. If/when the Codex comes into power in this country,
the government will then have the power to tell us which vitamins and
supplements we can or cannot have and, perhaps worse, what these
supplements will be made of. THEY will determine what is healthy, not
us. Already, I have just found out from a naturopathic physician that
we need to be very leery of commercially-made vitamins, because most
of these available are made of corn, and the majority of corn they use
for this is genetically modified (thank Monsanto for this), and we
certainly want no part of GMO foods. But this is just a beginning of
where it will lead.

And we see again and again throughout even recent history that, once
the government gets control over something, not only does nothing
improve, but it takes a divine act to get it back into private hands.

This will definitely effect homeopathy, I have no doubt. Since the US
government is currently under the powerful influence of the
money-wielding pharmaceuticals who want all control over our health
care, what do you really think will happen to homeopathy, which only
now is beginning to regain a foothold in this country?

I do not wish to ever trust my and my family's health care to the
government. It's only been since I've turned to homeopathy and a much
more natural approach that I've seen true health in our family,
especially to our two sons.

Just some more of my two cents' on this subject.

- Cathy Lemmon

P.S. Because I like to research things as thoroughly as I can,
checking all sides of an issue, here is the official link for the
Codex Alimentarius, so any interested parties can read through it as
well: http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

Luise,
for reading the book (partly) in German click the link .
Health Foundation Dr. Rath in German,
stopp the codex in German
Its to long to spend it here
you find it about google keywords:
Genf Codex Alimentarius
Gisa

Hi Cathy,

Thank you for your reply.

It must, of course, be left to the homeopaths in their respective
country to evaluate on what front to fight, where they can be aroused
to fight at all.

Just a couple of remarks/question:
A "crash course" on anything by a person or a group either pro or con
a complex issue is never really useful. There is in all such issues a
lot to be said for either side, and where the sethings are picked out
and presented, no clear picture can emerge.

So anyone wanting a true picture will have to read the 5000 pages (I
think I read it is 5000 pages ?) of the codex itself.

The people in the front trying the fightwill really have to know
allthose pages in order to be credible and have a chance to succeed.
She currently has apparently a few hundred thousand on

Doesn't thegovernment have this power already (FDA)?

Regards

Luise
Already, I have just found out from a naturopathic physician that

--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Hi Luise,

One problem is that the parts of it that some of us *have* read, are
phrased in such a way as to give basically blanket oversight regarding
anything to do with health. Which is okay if one *trusts* that the
oversight will be done in an even-handed and appropriate way, but many
"alternative" health practitioners have found the history of such
oversight to be far from reassuring. It *does* matter what laws on are
the books!

Shannon