Minutus

i know this has been discussed many times, but now
i am in the midst of a situation. i cant believe i
succumbed to allowing a useless vaccine to be given
this 12 yr old girl. the schools were threatening
to throw her out without it and i couldn't find any
medical person to write a medical letter against the
vaccine.
the vaccine is a Dtap (new DPT vaccine). she reacted
with the typical swelling and pain in arm and nausea
and probably a slight fever. i am wanting to counter
this vaccine in her system. there have been several
protocols discussed but am not sure the better one
for this particular combo of foreign protein. the
literature did not list mercury but did note formaldehyde.
since there are 3 proteins in this vaccine, i am not
sure which nosode to use--or perhaps there is a better
approach.
any thoughts welcome
tanya

What?
What state are you in - there are exemptions in every state - 48 states with religious exemptions that are broad and usable by all and over 20 philosophical exemption staes. I wish you had emailed before the fact.

I'm so sorry for what she is going through.

The best treatment is to treat the whole symptom picture as usual.
There is no universal antidote. If there were, we wouldn't be in this horrible state of vaccine injured everywhere.
Sheri

At 02:19 AM 5/30/2008, you wrote:

this is nys. medical and religious exemptions allowed.
religious exemptions almost impossible to get unless you
are a member of a known religion with anti-drug use beliefs.
medical doctors wont give a reasonable medical claim. i just
had this put in my lap 5 weeks ago and thought i had the support
of this doctor who wasted over 3 weeks and then refused to write
a medical letter. an nd wrote a letter but they wouldnt accept it.
the medical doctors say there is no titer test for this vaccine.
problem is time--i had none. it was a choice between my principles
and having this child kept in detention till years end over this.
and since i am not a legal guardian, i have little standing if any
court situation arose. i finally broke down after weeks of hassles
in order to give the child some creature comfort in school. if i
had more time i would have been able to look for someone else to
write a medical letter.
so for over 2 days she is not feeling well and i will take her with
me today and try to find a remedy for her. i will also give her
a massive dose of vit c--i am thinking about 5000 mg today and tomorrow.
i will try to muscle test the dosage with her.
i was thinking about smits protocol with nosodes but this is a combination
vaccine, so which is the one she is reacting to--or is it all of them.
her sx are not very specific: sore arm (location of injection), nausea,
maybe headache, possible concentration difficulty, maybe slight fever.
i am picking her up this morning and will keep her with me today to see
what i can and try to help her.
it is also hard to tell if she is not doing her homework and wants to
avoid going to class. this is an ongoing situation with this child. she
has learned to complain about lack of concentration in class as a means
of getting some dispensation for her poor discipline with school work.
tanya

What about Ledum as a possible starting point?
But Tanya--
As a former kid with "lack of concentration in class", I wonder why you
seem to assume it's a put-on? When a child is given the message that
their complaints are not taken seriously (or not believed), *that* can
cause real problems over and above whatever is already causing them
trouble. (This is a live issue for me, as my son is going thru similar
stuff. Minus the vaccination, thanks for small graces. )

Shannon

---- Tanya Marquette wrote:

This is not accurate
My listmembers and students get exemptions all the time
There are groups that help you in ny

I wish you had written to me.

You give Vitamin C in sodium ascorbate dosage to bowel tolerance
I will send info

Sorry for your challenges.
But anyone - contact me!
Sheri
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Sheri Nakken, former R.N. MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com
or http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

Hi Tanya,

in the UK we have the nosode made from the combined new DPT vaccine , available from
Helios pharmacy. Here it is called pediacel or 5in1 vaccine

BW, Grace

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Tanya Marquette" wrote:

do you have any experience with this nosode--or
any of them to antidote the vaccine?
it all seems confusing to me as how do you tell whether
you have antidoted it? if any obvious reactions disappear
then there might some suppostion of success. but is it
really?
tanya

At 01:21 AM 5/31/2008, you wrote:
According to the principles of homeopathy this is not a good way to start
You start by repertorizing the total symptom picture and finding and individualized remedy.
Sometimes nosodes can be used if improvement and then stalled, but I wouldn't go there as first choice.
Dr. Luc has an comment about this - will see if I can find it.
5 in 1 that Helios has is for UK version that has 5 vaccines in it.
Sheri

this is about treatment of autism with vaccines in potency - similar to what you are saying

http://drluc.blogspot.com/search?update ... results=99
Friday, November 9, 2007
Use of Vaccine Remedies for ASD Cases

Question: Can the use of vaccine remedies result in a real cure for vaccine injured children with autism?

Answer: The reality does not bring this out at all. I was in Holland enough and hear the reality. This simple isopathy is far from "the cure all" and isopathy is the LAST resort, not the first one to try and not successful enough to make it a rule to start such treatment. Anything like DPT treatment with a group of disease (ASD in this case) is imitating allopathy and tramples on the Laws and Principles of Homeopathy..."Individuality."

If it truly was that successful we in homeopathy would all know about it and reproduce the same. I saw in Holland this year an autistic child that was treated by 15 homeopaths, the DPT guy included with no results.

My choice (Lachesis) for this child has resulted so far in great success. This case will be even on my new module and can already be followed on the web site of the organizer of this seminar Rene Otter. Only those cases are truthful and not misleading. And if parents really want to do this go ahead. I truly wished that it would cure your child but frankly I doubt it.

Such treatment really would mean that all cases of autism are caused by vaccinations (DPT) and nothing is further from the truth. And if it is not the cause then such treatment is in vain.

Dr Luc

Posted by Dr. Luc De Schepper at 11/09/2007 04:44:00 PM
Only if the symptom picture matches and the nosode is the simillimum, should it be used

http://www.minimum.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=605
http://www.minimum.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=859

Sheri
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm & http://www.wellwihtin1.com/vaccine.htm
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

i have looked at de schepper's site, too and found
similar commentary.
thuja does begin to top out on the rep. i haven't
finished the case but will today.
tanya