Minutus

Hi,

Dear collegues,

I hereby claim and challenge that "Current all homeopathic
repertories books and softwares are useless without adding symptoms
indexation according to "AGE" and "SEX" categorisation binding and
current repertory books and softwares based on these books are
useless and mostly wastage of time if we repertorise a case of a
specific sex and age related person,Men,Women,Kid,Child,Girl or Boy?

What do you say? Would you like to start discussion on this
important topic?
Welcome
Homeopathic
Dr. Mumtaz Ali Riaz
In-charge
Homeopathy Department
Government THQ Hospital,
Sargodha Road,
Chiniot-Punjab,
Pakistan.

drmumtaz@urduhomeopath.com
www.urduhomeopath.com

That seems to me like a stronger statement than the material really
merits. If they were "useless" without, then they would be in fact
useless, and that is not the case.

I wouldn't think it's true for most of the physical rubrics--that is,
not for most outside of the "Mind" chapter. Even within the "mind"
chapter, we automatically take factors such as sex and age into account
by searching out those expressions which are *unusual*--i.e. unusual to
the age, sex, circumstances, and etc., of the patient.

Are you suggesting that even rubrics relating to physical symptoms
ought to be marked by age and sex? Can you explain?
Best wishes,
Shannon

Dear,

My objective of talking about AGE and SEX is
physically "Age" and "Sex" which means according to me
that in addition to common type of symptoms like mind
symptoms/rubrics... there must be difference and
classification predefined for a specific age and sex,
if our client,s age is few months why softwares should
not present us rubrics of that Age group and Sex
excluding all symptoms/rubrics related to other
varieties of age grouping and sex , if client is male
then all female related symptoms should be
discarded/disviewed to us while we are using an
repertory software or we are reading its book
format,so this all must be evaluated with reference to
our client,s AGE and SEX and all symptoms correlation
should be available to a homeopath according to
his/her present client? It means that all symptoms
should be predefined according to age add sex and
should always be presented in a sense of this
categorisation, indexation of all rubrics should meet
the basic requirement of AGE and SEX.

All present day softwares like
Cara,Radar,Mercurius,ISIS,etc are useless without this
type of categorisation/indexation of symptoms.If we
find an data from these softwares which has the
largest database of symptoms and remedies,on
repertorisation of a case of infant we will also be
reading symptoms of girls,women,pregnant
women,prostate related symptoms while our client,s Age
is few months and sex is Male.
Do you understand now my point of view which is not a
just statement but a clear cut "Research Review" in
using homeopthic repertorisation therefore my
challenge in changing repertorisation pattern still
stands their? that all repertorisation should start
with Age and Sex biding which means availability of
data speedly,easily,and accurately according to desire
of homeopath searching for a particular age group and
sex of his/her client and it will save software user,s
time also which is precious then the software price?
Join this discussion i,m ready to answer each query.
regards,
Mumtaz Ali Riaz,Chiniot,Pakistan.
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--- Robert & Shannon Nelson
wrote:

To some extent I disagree with what you say about age and sex being relevant, simply because with many of the homeopathic software you have the ability to distinguish from the rubrics you're after, at least in Mercurius you can. For eg. if you're looking for symptoms affecting a girl of 5 years old you can state you don't want words such as 'menses' or 'penis' to be included. You must also remember that provings are done on adults of both sexes and what affects a woman can equally affect a man, with the exception of the obivious - which can easily be eliminated from the search.
Christine

Hi Mumtaz Ali,

I do not really understand.

Actually, repertories - whether books or software - are to the MMs
only the equivalent of an index. No-one would make decisions on topics
covered in a book only by its index.

At least for the "old" provings we can look up the remedy in The
Encyclopedia of Pure Materia Medica by T. F. Allen. There you will
find for a lot of symptoms information about the provers who showed
them, including age and sex. Where these are not given, the
information is just not available - thus no repertory could list it.

Further information may be extracted from Hering's Guidng symptoms as
part of the relevant listings.

So for homeopaths that consider this information important (in a
given case) it is available.

On the basis of that, I personally rather think that we need an
encyclopedia of pure materia medica on the lines of Allen's, covering
the newer provings.

Regards

Luise
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So definitely know what's true:
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I fail to understand how we can compile an adequate repertory based on proving information on specific ages (for example on infants – since we do not use infants in provings). Instead, if you are arguing that we need more easily trackable components – based on provers ages or sex, that would be interesting – since at present we must dig through original provings to determine if the provers were 20 or 50.
The desire to have repertory software that narrows the search to a specific age and sex totally goes against individualization. That restricts our ‘vision’ to a box – saying that all 15 year old females have a particular set of symptoms/remedies and all 66 year old males have a particular set of symptoms/remedies. Do you find there is a specific and universal difference between a 20 year old female and a 25 year old female? Or are you suggesting age ranges? If so, who determines the range cutoffs – and what universal standard would apply?
A repertory program is only a convenient method to narrow down a MM search – it does not substitute for reading and understanding MMs - and it is certainly not a mechanistic remedy selector. Our current programs and repertories do separate specific male and female symptoms. We can readily use those specific symptoms for searches when and if appropriate to the individual case. I have not yet had any problems searching for prostate symptoms and instead getting menopause remedies. Likewise it is easy to skip over aging prostate symptoms or pregnancy when searching for a remedy for an infant. Inclusion and exclusion of words in current repertory software is available to use within an analysis, but again this is applied individually for case analysis. By utilizing “predefined classification based on specific age and sex” it would certainly appear you would be encouraging a step toward mechanical allopathic prescribing of homeopathic remedies and a step away from homeopathic analysis.
Donna
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Repertories are useless without indexation of age and sex..Dr. Mumtaz Ali Claims
Dear,

My objective of talking about AGE and SEX is
physically "Age" and "Sex" which means according to me
that in addition to common type of symptoms like mind
symptoms/rubrics... there must be difference and
classification predefined for a specific age and sex,
if our client,s age is few months why softwares should
not present us rubrics of that Age group and Sex
excluding all symptoms/rubrics related to other
varieties of age grouping and sex , if client is male
then all female related symptoms should be
discarded/disviewed to us while we are using an
repertory software or we are reading its book
format,so this all must be evaluated with reference to
our client,s AGE and SEX and all symptoms correlation
should be available to a homeopath according to
his/her present client? It means that all symptoms
should be predefined according to age add sex and
should always be presented in a sense of this
categorisation, indexation of all rubrics should meet
the basic requirement of AGE and SEX.

All present day softwares like
Cara,Radar,Mercurius,ISIS,etc are useless without this
type of categorisation/indexation of symptoms.If we
find an data from these softwares which has the
largest database of symptoms and remedies,on
repertorisation of a case of infant we will also be
reading symptoms of girls,women,pregnant
women,prostate related symptoms while our client,s Age
is few months and sex is Male.

Do you understand now my point of view which is not a
just statement but a clear cut "Research Review" in
using homeopthic repertorisation therefore my
challenge in changing repertorisation pattern still
stands their? that all repertorisation should start
with Age and Sex biding which means availability of
data speedly,easily,and accurately according to desire
of homeopath searching for a particular age group and
sex of his/her client and it will save software user,s
time also which is precious then the software price?

Join this discussion i,m ready to answer each query.

regards,

Mumtaz Ali Riaz,Chiniot,Pakistan.
...................................................
--- Robert & Shannon Nelson >
wrote:

Well, you evidently have something in mind...
Are you bringing this up because you have a repertorial system which
makes the distinction? I assume you are a practicing homeopath, yes?
Best wishes,
Shannon

And one doesn't need to have the *software* do the excluding--we are
always, when reading rubrics, choosing those which are relevant, and
overlooking those which are not...

Dear Collegues,
I,m practicing homeopath since 1987. So i know how
repertorisation should be performed. My view again
over and above the views of my friends of this forum
who did not agree with me that rubrics/symptoms has
relevancy to Age and Sex and present day softwares are
useless without adding these two options also.

In fact those who misunderstood my views, i have to
point out that i,m not asking to delete any provings
previously done in past , i am not asking to make any
change in previous databases of symptoms and remedies
descriptions but i,m talking to define our repertory
databases with a precise manner to save time of
repertrisation and to avoid from any mistake in
repertorisation and to give the option of minimum data
to be read by a practicing homeopath who uses software
or book format.
I,m asking that all our symptoms of repertories/MM
should be re-organised by a professional homeopathic
doctors to make assessment of symptoms according to
age and sex categorisation, and they must be
re-indexed to save the time of a physician. This job
is not a allopathic type of work because all the work
already available by provings will be just re-indexed
according to age and sex , a expert team or more than
one expert teams of physician,s can do that but our
all data will be in a scientific manner and will be
beneficial for research purpose also.

This will be called as Community Repertorisation
Method, in fact we will be re-indexing our previously
known rubrics/symptoms as already included in our MM
but work will produce the data in a easy manner
because of legth of data will increase in future so
that an busy clinician will not be able to handle such
cases.
If an homeopath like me has to examine more than 50 to
70 clients daily how i can manage repertorisation
according to classical way while i have to examine all
age categories of patients so according to this
example same situation will be for other collegues of
this forum.

If our database is organised according to age and sex
categorisation then our repertorisation timing will
minimize and standard data queries can be applied.

Most of you are telling me proving ,and provers age
,while i am talking about the indexation of all
rubrics by a expert clinicians to define all symptoms
according to age and sex categorisation.

Homeopathic
Dr. Mumtaz Ali Riaz

in analyzing a repertory based selection through either computer softwares or manually one ought to conclusively read the remedies since two or three remedies would seem appropriate and selecting one from them would be easily done by reading the materia medica and in that there would be definite specification about the particular remedy is for male,female,child or old people etc., which would make our selection very much easier and appropriate and computer software/s have made our task much easier in navigating through various remedies without need of physically handling the books and if the repertories need these age and sex indexation which would make our selection of remedies still complected becasue we may sometimes loose track of the important remedies and also the basic law of cure.But one thing we should always remember is that still we need additional extended benefits of proving on on already pr oven remedies and clarity on selection of potency as well.this is my very humble submission.
dr.k.srinivasa raghavan

Thu, 29/5/08, DR. MUMTAZ ALI RIAZ wrote:
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