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Croup

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:34 pm
by Gail
Hi,

Does anyone know some details around the use of Aconite, Spongia and Hep
sulph for Croup? I know they were known as Boeninghausen's powders and
became popular in the treatment of croup because they worked so well.
But how were they dosed? At what time intervals?

Gail.

Re: Croup

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:18 pm
by Shannon Nelson
My daughter went thru a stage of croup, and they worked beautifully.
(The hard part for me was recognizing that "croup" was what she had!)
I dosed the same way I always do--expecting a dose (for a substantial
acute) to begin working within a few minutes, and repeating the dose
only when symptoms begin to return, or the person's energy begins to
droop. My (few) patients and I have all (well, except my husband, who
doesn't tend to notice much) found it easy to know when re-dose is
needed.

With my daughter, in the first few attacks a few doses of Aconite (I
used 30c) took care of it; then there was (?)one, maybe two, where she
needed spongia. I don't think we ever needed hepar sulph.

Shannon

Re: Croup

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:21 pm
by Rochelle
My experience of patient's using it is the same as Shannon's. Aconite usually stops it and if it doesn't go onto Spongia. I have not known anyone need Hepar unless they have had a chest infection anyway!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Re: Croup

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:16 pm
by Sheri Nakken
At 02:34 PM 4/14/2008, you wrote:
You always give the remedy that is indicated by the symptom picture and best is to follow Hahnemann's method in the 5th edition
Remedy in water

Here are the instructions I give my patients

Administering Remedies

How to administer remedies for minor ailments?

This page provides instructions on how to properly administer remedies for minor acutes and first aid. Please note: treatment, dosage, and potency for first aid and recurring acute ailments is very different for chronic conditions. Chronic conditions should only be instructed by an experienced homeopath.

Potency:
200c for minor acute and first aid­do not use for recurring things that seem acute but are part of a chronic state or for anything else chronic.

If you don't have 200C, 30C may be fine for minor acutes and first aid, but may have to repeat more frequently.

30C should be used if treating an elderly family member or the person is in a very weakened state.

Water or Dry?
Always administer in water.

Put your dry pillules or tablets in water to administer (see below for instructions). It is best not to take them dry. In a pinch, it is okay to give as dry.

The vital force does better if you put them in water and then raise the potency a little each time. The vital force does not do as well with the same potency over and over and that is the way you would do it if you used them dry.

Creating an aqueous solution

Put one pillule or tablet in 6 oz of water (use purified, filtered water if possible) in a water bottle (glass or pastic).
Let dissolve or sit for at least 5 minutes.
Shake just a little after it dissolves.
Take one teaspoon out of water bottle and give to the person. Have patient hold in mouth for a few seconds if possible
Wait.

Dose Frequency

You basically give 1 dose of 1 remedy and wait...

If improvement, don't give anymore.
If improvement and then same symptoms come back­give another dose of same. To give another dose:
Take the water bottle you have and succuss it­this is strong downward thrusts from about 2 feet up­like a judge hitting a gavel.
Do this 10 times on a book or something (you are succussing to slightly
raise the potency of what you have started with).
Give another teaspoon out of this.
If improvement and new symptoms appear, research and find what the new remedy should be. Sometime one remedy will shift things and then require different
remedy to finish up.
If no improvement on one dose of 30c in water, repeat it in 20-30
minutes. If no improvement on one dose if 200c in water, repeat it in 1 hour. If you are using 6X or something, may have to repeat oftener than a 30C as
the energy 'gets used up', in a way.
You can do this 2 or 3 times with 200C or 30C. If no improvement after that probably wrong remedy.

Signs of improvement

Improvement you may see first is in mental/emotional symptoms, or sleep, or
general well being, or thirst or appetite­then the physical symptoms may improve later.

Solution Notes

If you get near the end of the bottle, keep at least one teaspoon in there and add 6 ozs more of water to keep it going, as you have been raising the potency each time and don't want to start over. Mostly you will never get to this point as you are treating a minor acute or first aid and you will only be repeating 3 or 4 times.

Don't need to refrigerate unless keeping overnight and usually this will
not be the case.

Throw away all solution at the end. If using a plastic water bottle and plastic spoon, throw away at the end. If using a glass bottle and metal spoon, boil in water for 5­10 minutes at the end before reusing so all remnants of remedy have been neutralized.

Other key points:
Do not treat for chronic or recurring things on your own.
DO not go by what is on the bottle (heaven only knows why FDA or whatever
makes them say that stuff)
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm & http://www.wellwihtin1.com/vaccine.htm
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

Re: Croup

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:25 pm
by Pauline Ashford
HI Gali like Shannon said I rarely need to use Hep Sulph but Acon and Spongia often come up – though I do find that some kids have a drainage phase after the acute has passed during which Hep Sulph often comes up – the cough often gets looser, cheesy or offensive smelling expectorate/breath irritable and chilly, intolerant of breeze or being out in wind without being wrapped up warmly esp the throat – then hep sulph finishes it beautifully Regards Pauline
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Subject: [Minutus] Croup
Hi,

Does anyone know some details around the use of Aconite, Spongia and Hep
sulph for Croup? I know they were known as Boeninghausen's powders and
became popular in the treatment of croup because they worked so well.
But how were they dosed? At what time intervals?

Gail.

Re: Croup

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:34 am
by Sheri Nakken
from my online/email Baby Care Class

Croup

http://www.mothernature.com/library/boo ... /48/56.cfm


Croup

Parenthood has its nightmares, but few terrors can compare with this: You wake up to the sound of junior struggling for breath with a cough so deep that it sounds like the barking of a St. Bernard. He gasps and sputters for a lungful of air--only to spill it out with the most shrill cry ever to punish a set of eardrums. Yes, it does sound awful--but as many parents have learned, to their relief, this terrible sound is usually nothing worse than quite common croup.

Croup is an inflammation of the voice box and windpipe that usually strikes children between three months and five years of age. "It usually occurs at night, because breathing becomes more shallow and the muscles in the neck don't work as well when you're asleep," says Karen Wendelberger, M.D., a pediatrician at Children's Hospital of Wisconsin in Milwaukee. It won't go away in the wink of an eye, whatever you do. But you can help ease your child's hacking. Here's how.
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https://health.google.com/health/ref/Croup
Treatment
Causes
Tests & diagnosis
Prognosis
Prevention
Complications
When to contact a doctor
U.S. National Library of Medicine

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Overview

Croup is breathing difficulty accompanied by a "barking" cough. Croup, which is swelling around the vocal cords, is common in infants and children and can have a variety of causes.
Symptoms

Croup features a cough that sounds like a seal barking. Most children have what appears to be a mild cold for several days before the barking cough becomes evident. As the cough gets more frequent, the child may have labored breathing or stridor (a harsh, crowing noise made during inspiration).

Croup is typically much worse at night. It often lasts 5 or 6 nights, but the first night or two are usually the most severe. Rarely, croup can last for weeks. Croup that lasts longer than a week or recurs frequently should be discussed with your doctor to determine the cause.
Treatment

Most cases of croup can be safely managed at home, but call your health care provider for guidance, even in the middle of the night.

Cool or moist air can bring relief. You might first try bringing the child into a steamy bathroom or outside into the cool night air. If you have a cool air vaporizer, set it up in the child's bedroom and use it for the next few nights.

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DO NOT AGREE with this section, for the most part - THIS IS ALLOPATHIC treatment and usually can be avoided.................Sheri

Acetaminophen can make the child more comfortable and lower a fever, lessening his or her breathing needs. Avoid cough medicines unless you discuss them with your doctor first.

You may want your child to be seen. Steroid medicines can be very effective at promptly relieving the symptoms of croup. Medicated aerosol treatments, if necessary, are also powerful.

Serious illness requires hospitalization. Increasing or persistent breathing difficulty, fatigue, bluish coloration of the skin, or dehydration indicates the need for medical attention or hospitalization.

Medications are used to help reduce upper airway swelling. This may include aerosolized racemic epinephrine, corticosteroids taken by mouth, such as dexamethasone and prednisone, and inhaled or injected forms of other corticosteroids. Oxygen and humidity may be provided in an oxygen tent placed over a crib. A bacterial infection requires antibiotic therapy.

Increasing obstruction of the airway requires intubation (placing a tube through the nose or mouth through the larynx into the main air passage to the lungs). Intravenous fluids are given for dehydration. In some cases, corticosteroids are prescribed.
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Causes

Viral croup is the most common. Other possible causes include bacteria, allergies, and inhaled irritants. Acid reflux from the stomach can trigger croup.

Croup is usually (75 percent of the time) caused by parainfluenza viruses, but RSV, measles, adenovirus, and influenza can all cause croup.

Before the era of immunizations and antibiotics, croup was a dreaded and deadly disease, usually caused by the diphtheria bacteria. Today, most cases of croup are mild. Nevertheless, it can still be dangerous.

Croup tends to appear in children between 3 months and 5 years old, but it can happen at any age. Some children are prone to croup and may get it several times.

In the Northern hemisphere, it is most common between October and March, but can occur at any time of the year.

In severe cases of croup, there may also be a bacterial super-infection of the upper airway. This condition is called bacterial tracheitis and requires hospitalization and intravenous antibiotics. If the epiglottis becomes infected, the entire windpipe can swell shut, a potentially fatal condition called epiglottitis .
Tests & diagnosis

Children with croup are usually diagnosed based on the parent's description of the symptoms and a physical exam. Sometimes a doctor will even identify croup by listening to a child cough over the phone. Occasionally other studies, such as x-rays, are needed.

A physical examination may show chest retractions with breathing. Listening to the chest through a stethoscope may reveal prolonged inspiration or expiration, wheezing, and decreased breath sounds.

An examination of the throat may reveal a red epiglottis. A neck x-ray may reveal a foreign object or narrowing of the trachea.

Prognosis

Viral croup usually goes away in 3 to 7 days. The outlook for bacterial croup is good with prompt treatment.

If an airway obstruction is not treated promptly, respiratory distress (severe difficulty breathing) and respiratory arrest can occur.
Prevention

Wash your hands frequently and avoid close contact with those who have a respiratory infection.

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OF COURSE disagree with this..........ridiculous....Sheri
The diphtheria, Haemophilus influenzae (Hib), and measles vaccines protect children from some of the most dangerous forms of croup.
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Complications

* Respiratory distress
* Respiratory arrest
* Epiglottitis
* Bacterial tracheitis
* Atelectasis (collapse of part of the lung)
* Dehydration

When to contact a doctor

Most croup can be safely managed at home with telephone support from your health care provider. Call 911 if:

* The croup is possibly being caused by an insect sting or inhaled object
* The child has bluish lips or skin color
* The child is drooling
* The child is having trouble swallowing
Depending on the severity of the symptoms, call 911 or your health care provider for any of the following:

* Stridor (noise when breathing in)
* Retractions (tugging-in between the ribs when breathing in)
* Struggling to breathe
* Agitation or extreme irritability
* Not responding to home treatment

Do NOT wait until morning to address the problem.