Minutus

I asked a similar question not to long ago, but am trying again...

Does anyone recall treating teens (or any age) for whom one of the
family "complaints" was that they listen to horrible music?
Shannon

Hi, Shannon.

I can't resist asking (sorry) -- is this a problem for the teen, or for the
family? Maybe the family should consult you for a remedy (remedies)? Could
what the family describes as "horrible" sound really satisfying -- yes
beautiful -- to the person choosing to listen to it???

The type of music a person listens to, of course, does give some miasmatic
indications. The manner in which the person chooses to listen also may give
a strong miasmatic clue (I suspect there may be some sycotic influence if
the teen is blasting everyone out of the house with loud music, but teens
can be pretty sycotic, just as a function of their age -- what's individual
to the person?)

Interesting question!

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I have always thought that Tuberculin covered some of the rebellious state of teenagers. Then the thought presents that they are playing back their own internal frustrations ,doubts and fears. May even be homeopathic, Jean

Hi Shannon,

Has he had any wonder remedies before (or even, 'of course!' remedies)
that addressed a Never Well Since point. Might be worth giving another
dose of that one if it exists. One of my daughters always just seems to
improve gradually after a dose of Scarlet Fever Nosode - it took a lot
of heartache to get to the point of trying that, but once I did it was
"Of course, that makes sense" because a Scarlet Fever Infection was so
definitely one turning point for the worse for her - even though it
wouldn't have been the first. And it's almost like we go in some sort of
circle with the dosing of it - She gradually gets better, and there is
that sense of relief - then it feels like suddenly one day (although it
must also be a gradual process) I'm trying to work out what's going
wrong, and a while and a few remedies later, I think hmmm Scarlet Fever
Nosode again? Of Course.

I've just been dipping into some Vithoulkas today and he talks about a
case which did so well on Silica that she only returned a year later for
a repeat - by that time he'd misplaced the note of what the remedy was,
and unsuccessfully tried prescribing on the picture in front of him for
a few months. Eventually he found the note, and redosed with Silica,
which worked amazingly even though he wouldn't have been able to see it
in the current presenting symptoms.

I don't know about the music being homoeopathic - it is probably a
coping strategy - but that doesn't mean it's curative. But Sankaran
does write about getting people to bang away randomly on a keyboard and
making a recording of it that gets replayed to them regularly to provoke
a curative response. He talks about doing it with painting as well -
make a painting of random marks and look at them for as long as it
takes to begin to feel aggravated on a daily basis. I've done the
painting one while thinking about a particular problem, and it does seem
to shift something on some level.

Isn't there a remedy that's Never Well Since puberty - or does that one
only apply to females? If there is one then there must be a Genus
Epidemicus for Puberty....

Gail.
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wrote:

boy, would i love to find a rx for puberty and those
adults who never grew up!
tanya

"Horrible" music would most likely be Metal to the ears of most parents. My observation is that people who have a penchant for it tend to be syphilo-tubercular; I know a bunch of them and they always get the same remark (but I've noticed they're actually proud of the fact that "common" people/ their parents are repelled by the "horrible" music they listen to. I think it's almost a method of separation, a way of repelling people who haven't embraced their own inner darkness- such as colorful sycotic people). The music does seem beautiful to the people who prefer it. Beautiful. They tend to use earphones when in public, though; they don't tend to be "invasive" folk
I totally agree the blasting is typical of sycotic people. The gangster-rap subculture is the living miasm- in my opinion.
The topic's really cool !
Caro.

Hi Caro,

You mean a bunch of people into the loud, heavy, screechy music? (Or
something like that?) I know there are lots of them, so was surprised
to have so little response to my question about it!!

Below:
Yep, this guy definitely is. Over the past few months:
- Syphilinum moderated the music a bit, tho didn't have much effect on
anything (a little, tho)
- Med didn't do much of anything--which surprised me, actually; it's
been a good one for him in the past
- Recently Tuberculinum seems to be helping some, tho it's not quite 3
weeks, too soon to draw conclusions--more variety in the music (some of
it even *melodic*, gasp!), acne about 80% improved, mellower and more
relaxed (still room for improvement, tho!).

(I'm not just "running thru the nosodes" on purpose... Syph was a
"gotta try it" for various reasons, and Tub and Med I've confused for
him in the past--so made sense to try both.)
Yeah, I see that, tho in this case I don't see it as the driver; I
mean, I think it's a "side-benefit" rather than the reason.
And I would love to understand WHY!!!!!
This guy (my 13 year old son, FWIW) is in a way, tho I think it's
awkwardness and inner unease, rather than deliberate intrusion. (But
one thing that's also stopped since Tub is this really annoying habit
of going "Gotcha!", grabbing my arm in a potentially very painful
wrestling hold, and gleefully asking, "Do you give up?" So that part
did make sense for Tub, tho I hadn't seen it that way...
And Tubercular miasm is considered (at least by some) to be a
combination of sycosis and syphilis...? My sense is that part of the
reason for the blasting and overall "desire for stimulation" is to
counter the "jangling" inside of him, if that makes sense.
Blend of sycosis and syphilitic? At least *some* of the raps seem
reeeeaaallly syphilitic; others more sycotic or even tubercular???
What do you think?
I agree!!!!!! Thanks for re-visiting it with me!
I'm trying (in snippets of time, tucked in around too much other stuff)
to follow up on the music idea in general.

I found this nice starting point:
http://www.homeoint.org/seror/archives/hubbard2.htm

But--so much more!!

Shannon

when i was growing up rock and roll was coming into being and the older
generation found it too loud, invasive, offensive, and immoral. of course,
we, the knowing, knew differently.

but over the years, watching my kids generation with heavy metal, and
thinking
about the generations before me with their jazz and swing eras and how
similar
their parent generations reacted, it gave me some room for thought. it
seemed
to me that as the society changes, so does its core energy. i began to
feel that
music was a reflection of this energy. so that music became a way to make a
sociological and psychological statement about what was happening to people.
i found the loud, heavy metal, to be much more intense than the music i
grew up
with, and still relate to. 'my' music reflects a level of energy and
general type of
response that is much calmer than todays youth. their energy seems to
scream
for an intensity which i think reflects a universal type angst and tension
of the
world they are learning how to relate to. actually it is kind of scarey
to me to
see this hyperactive intensity that is so common today.

tanya

Hi Shannon,

Well:-)

Jazz, the New Orleans type, was "horrible" to our parents. A lot of us
loved it. That was in the 1950's. I still love it.

My son, around 1984 starting, loved Heavy Metal (Motley Crue or
however it is spelled), AC/DC etc. I thought it was terrible, but -
remembering myself in the 50's I suffered listening to it. And - lo
and behold - after a while I also came to like it:-)

A lot of people don't like classical music, opera etc. Those who do
mostly grew up with listening to it. The same holds true for oriental
music.

I really doubt that you can ascribe certain miasms (in whatever sense
the the term is used) to certain music.

Regards

Luise
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So definitely know what's true:
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and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Hey Shannon! It's really nice to "see" you again !!
What I understood from Sankaran -and really made sense to me- is that un-compensated (non-"taught") hobbies and preferences are a very pure expression of the inner disturbance, unmodified by "shoulds" and "musts". In the case of music, it seems as though it tended to be in a lot of cases homeopathic to the disease itself. I've done tons of provings and, even though I am not into death metal (screaching, gutural voices, noisy drums... music that sounds as if someone were "suffering the torments of hell", as some may put it) I felt I needed to listen to it because I was both very depressed/ very angry. It was as if listening to it created a defense/barier against my environment or gave me strength to go on. Depending on the remedy taken the kind of music I felt like listening to varied too. I felt like blasting it a couple of times to show my anger at those who were near me. So mabe if you ask your son what the genre he listens to is I could tell you what remedy I was proving when I felt the impulse to listen to it
But talking to the fans of metal which non-fans would consider "horrible" or "aggressive", I've found different explanations why they prefer that kind of music. The difference in the specific type of metal changes the explanation completely, and so do the common traits of the listeners which, again, I could describe in detail; I have a bunch of music genres analised and categorised by predominant miasms heehee ;D
Congrats on the Tub choice for your son! That very good progress in only three weeks (especially the acne)!!! I wouldn't discard spider remedies for him in the future if Tub stops acting. Sounds like the playfully-aggressive metal-type who's into competition, maybe?
I TOTALLY agree on the syphilitic and sycotic presence in most gangster-rap(ers)! I've yet to see/hear the first "pure" tubercular rap singer/song, though. I think the key component to tubercular hobbies are either speed (fast!fast! fast! times's running out so I need stimulation now!) or kind of the opposite, hyper-nostalgic (this one more when mixed with psora, but not exclusively)... but these are all very personal observations so take them with various pinches of salt.
I couldn't see how the tubercular miasm is a mix of sycosis and syphilis; I've heard it before but it has never made any sense to me... not to say that all three can't co-exist in a single person, of course. TB is an airborne disease and the other two are sexually-related miams. I don't know if in the evolution of time the blend of syphilis and gonorrhoea created a mycobacterium but it sounds like sci-fi without the "sci". I think David Little does a beautiful job explaining the evolution of the miasms in his course; he truly is very clear, sensical and scientific... he says TB miam *might* be a result of the evolution of psora (which when supressed does create lung indurations and tons of respiratory affections similar to the effects of TB in the body so it could explain the mutation). Gonorrhoea and Syphilis are viruses, Scabies comes from a mite and TB is bacterial. I don't see sexually-transmitted viruses transforming into airborne bacteria, and clinically the idea is unfounded... But I'm straying off the subject
Congratulations on the great case progress!

Caro.