Page 1 of 1

Chickenpox/now publicity

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:30 am
by Rochelle
With respect Fran I don't think you realise exactly what is happening in UK. Most of us are not making a living any more from homeopathy , because of the adverse publicity put out by those that the ignorant feel are established bodies (NHS) and know what is best for them. This adverse publicity has been widely reported in the media My practice has dropped by 2/3rds and my homeopath who has been going over 20 years is thinking of getting a job in Tescos!!
It is best to not let "them" have any reason to get at us. It's best to advertise things like cases where the establishment (NHS) has failed and we have cured. We all know that the drug companies are to blame. They are scared of us.
The annual Homeopathy Awareness week in June is focussing this year on allergies- which is a good one for us!!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Re: Chickenpox/now publicity

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:23 pm
by Fran Sheffield
rochelle wrote:
Hi Rochelle,

I do have some awareness of what is happening in the UK.

Do you think the story would have been different if homeopathy had a united front there? To us here in Australia, everyone seemed to have it so good in the UK. While we have had to position ourselves with a swathe of other modalities and carve out practises with a public who had no idea of what homeopathy was, the British situation seemed idyllic in comparison. I hope you do not lose this - truly.

I think the best thing that happened to us is was that all the fractured associations were able to bury the hatchet to see the formation one national registering body that governed homeopathic standards (of practice and education). At the same time, some of these associations/societies amalgamated to form one truly national association to provide protect the interests of and provide services to the homeopaths. This has given us a degree of credibility and has allowed us to speak with a unified voice to governments and regulatory bodies - there is now a recognition that we are a profession in our own right whereas in the past we were lumped in with naturopaths - the dominant alternative therapist here in this country (I don't think you have them quite as we do here).

With all of these achievements, please do not think it is easy for us here as well. Only a handful choose to study homeopathy each year - those wonderful government accredited, higher educational standards have also made homeopathic education very expensive, placing it out of reach for many people. In the past, there were many more small private schools with variable standards but affordable fees that people could study at but they have now gone out of business because it was economically unviable for them to upgrade.

Also, because of the low (but improving) profile homeopathy has in the community, many students fail to make the transition from graduate to practitioner. It takes a long time to establish a practice in an environment with poor awareness and homeopaths still have to eat and pay mortgages like everyone else - many end up having to find other work. I was once told that only 1 in 20 are still trying to practice one year after graduation but in actual fact, I think the percentage is much lower than that. In spite of what we have achieved at association and regulatory level, we are still only small in number because of these difficulties. In comparison, I think the UK situation has been far easier for a long time - and I do not begrudge you that.

Also, please do not think that we do not have the concerns your practitioners may have in relation to prophylactics - far from it! Many homeopaths will not dispense them for the very reasons you list. Isaac Golden has had a particularly difficult time in the past with threats of court actions and fines from government departments and our drug regulatory body - they do not like prophylactics being promoted (actually, they more react on behalf of other sectors who do not like them being promoted - there are no prizes for guessing who they might be.)

I too have had a visit from the men in dark suits and expect more to come. They arrived demanding to see me without an appointment on a busy clinic day (and they have the power to do this) asking all sorts of questions, gathering information, and making stipulations. Homeopaths have also been attacked and vilified in the media regarding prophylactics. Doctors using them have been threatened with deregistration if they are caught using them. It is not easy but rolling belly up just to pacify them will not work either.

I am all for being well informed, speaking with an united voice, and increasing public awareness. I firmly believe that change will only come from the bottom up through an informed and educated public which is why we cannot go quiet. Let the attacks come and then answer them, calmly and factually - the public will listen and the internet if a fantastic tool for overcoming media reluctance to upset their advertisers. Anyway - enough from me - I am back to work tomorrow :-)

By the way, how come you lot are doing allergies? I thought WHAW was about sports injuries this year?
--

Kind regards,

Fran Sheffield
Homeopathy Plus! (Information - Education - Treatment)
http://www.homeopathyplus.com.au
Do No Harm Initiative (Homeopathic Immunisation)
http://www.d-n-h.org

Re: Chickenpox/now publicity

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:09 am
by Rochelle
Fran wrote:-

It just shows how in tune the Society of Homeopaths is with WHAW!!!!!

If only!!!! The organisation which was trying to arrange something like this broke down recently through lack of funds with everyone blaming everyone else!!

Gosh that is bad news and I don't think they could do anything here in UK like that.
All the best
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Re: Chickenpox/now publicity

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:57 am
by Luise Kunkle
Hi Rochelle, Fran,
Exxcuse me for latching on here with my question to Fran:

What does that Registering etc. body mean. Is it accredited by the
government of Austr. or of the various regions (States, Provinces - I
am not familiar with what they are called) or is it only a standard
within the homeopathic society? (i. e. other homeopaths can set up
their own standards o do without set standards)? Same question
regarding the schools you told us about.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
==========> ICQ yinyang 96391801 <==========

Re: Chickenpox/now publicity

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:56 am
by Fran Sheffield
Hi Luise,

Just a quick reply at the moment - maybe someone else can fill in with more detail.

The registering body has industry representatives (homeopaths) and outside and government representatives. It was established to protect the consumer (this is who they can complain to) and to monitor that colleges and practitioners are complying with the government endorsed competency standards for both education, training, and practice.

Practitioner associations are there to look after the interests of the homeopath - seminars, mentoring, representation before government departments, etc. Professional membership with these associations requires registration with the registering body.

The only fly in the ointment is that anyone can still practice homeopathy and be outside this system. They do not have to have any standards or training whatsoever. Their clients will not get health fund rebates on fees (which is only partial anyway) though. All we can do is try to educate people to go and see registered pracititioners and lobby the governemnt for legislation that protects the title of homeopathy - something they seem reluctant to do because firstly, "you don't hurt anybody" and second, it would give homeopathy a credibility and recognition that other areas do not want it to have.

In answer to fyour previous question about cross-posting, please feel free. I was going to send an email containing a bit I had accidentally cut out of my first one in case you wanted to send that instead - will try and do it later today.

Luise Kunkle wrote:
--

Kind regards,

Fran Sheffield
Homeopathy Plus! (Information - Education - Treatment)
http://www.homeopathyplus.com.au
Do No Harm Initiative (Homeopathic Immunisation)
http://www.d-n-h.org

Re: Chickenpox/now publicity

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:04 pm
by Luise Kunkle
Hi Fran,
cut.

How could they do that? As shown in many discussions on many lists,
there is no concensus on what homeoopathy is/includes.

because firstly, "you don't hurt

You better hope they keep thinkng that. Otherwise homeopathy will
get restricted to MD's or the remedies will be made prescription only
(or removed from the shelved alltogether).

and second, it would give homeopathy a credibility and
Thank you.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
==========> ICQ yinyang 96391801 <==========

Re: Chickenpox/now publicity

Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:46 am
by Fran Sheffield
Hi Luise,

On reading my last email I realise I did not clearly answer your questions. So, I will try to explain a little better - I hope others correct me if I have anything wrong.

In the past, as would be the situation in many countries, homeopathy was represented across Australia by numerous associations or societies. Even though we all basically practiced homeopathy, each association had a different "flavour" and the tendency was for suspicion or disagreement to exist between them (sound familiar?)

I think the joining together occurred when the Australian government began to encourage a "harmonisation" process of educational standards across many disciplines and industries so that Australian qualifications meant the same as interational qualifications and vice versa - that the award of certificate, diploma, bachelor, etc by government accredited training institutions meant the same as similar government accredited awards across many countries and could not be issued unless similar levels of education or competencies had been achieved by the recipient. This process was meant to simplify movement and recognition knowledge and skills between countries

This harmonisation process meant that many professions, disciplines, or industries (P,D, or I) documented the knowledge and skills considered necessary for practice or employment within their field. Once these standards had been developed by the P,D, or I, and the government was confident that they had been developed by consensus across the whole of that P,D, or I, the government would endorse them. Courses then had to provide the necessary elements within their curricula to produce graduates that met these standards, if they were to be accredited by the government and have their awards mean anything.

So, some visionary homeopaths set about pulling all the associations together across Australia to put down on paper the underpinning knowledge and skills (competencies) considered essential for practice as a homeopath while leaving room to move for personal preferences and different approaches. This was a huge achievement as you can imagine because this whole process would have been useless unless there was true consensus across the whole of the profession - the government had to be convinced this was so before it would endorse the competencies. No one person or association could be excluded from this process - everyone had an invitation and opportunity to be involved.

The key point to realise is that government did not decide what these competencies should be as it had no idea - it only endorsed what consensus said they were (pleeeeeeze don't ask me the " how could we possibly reach consensus as there are so many different opinions" questions as we have been there so many times before - fundamentally there is a name that defines the practice and there is a foundational text guiding practice - at this level, it is not that hard to work out what the standards should be - all the rest, while perhaps useful, are just add-ons).

In doing this, many of the separate associations, realising that we could all hold the same core principles while providing room for individual application of those principles, decided that there was no reason why there should be separateness when goal could more easily be achieved if there was unity. So an amalgamation took place between many of them to form the only national association representing homeopaths - the Australian Homeopathic Association (AHA). This allowed representation of homeopathy to both media and government bodies at a national level and provided recognition in their eyes. Some smaller non-national associations still exist with specific focusses to meet the needs of their members.

At the same time, it was recognised that for credibility and maintenance of the new standards, separate associations should not have separate registering roles or there would be a risk of standards being watered down or fractured along "party lines." All associations at this time agreed to give up their registering role and hand it over to a body formed to maintain and monitor the standards, register practitioners who graduated from schools with programs that met the standards, and investigate complaints by the public of practitioners in breach of these standards. It is now called the Australian Register of Homeopaths (AROH). It is managed by representatives from the homeopathic associations and the public.

AROH cannot make or change the standards - this can only be done by the profession with consensus, but it can monitor the standards that have already been established. Associations no longer have a registering role but look after the interests of registered homeopaths and provide services and representation for them. The government has no power to intervene at all - it just endorsed the standards as "homeopathy" that the united profession set before it after it confirmed that there was consensus across the profession. These standards are now the governments understanding of homeopathy - no body else can go to them claiming something different.

As already written this is good in principle but because there is no protection for the title of homeopath within government legislation as there is with doctors and chiropractors, people can still set up practice with no training at all. We are asking government to legislate in this area but they are very slow to do so, firstly because it is an expensive and time consuming process for government and unlike doctors or homeopathy, no-one complains that they are being injured by homeopathy. Secondly, and this is a less acknowledged reason, such legislation would provide homeopathy and homeopaths with greater credibility than some politically powerful areas want. In the meantime, we just try to educate the public. Also, health funds will not provide rebates to patients of homeopaths unless they are registered with AROH, so we are slowly getting there.

I for one am very pleased that all those earlier homeopaths put in all that hard work. We are much stronger for it. Perhaps this now answers your questions.
--

Kind regards,

Fran Sheffield
Homeopathy Plus! (Information - Education - Treatment)
http://www.homeopathyplus.com.au
Do No Harm Initiative (Homeopathic Immunisation)
http://www.d-n-h.org

Re: Chickenpox/now publicity

Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:24 pm
by Luise Kunkle
Hi Fran,

I am really grrateful for your taking the time and effort to provide
all this information - I am sure all other people on this list also
are.

I just have one more question.

Some years ago I tried to find a site that shows in detail what you
have all agreed upon and what therefore is now official standard.

Could you provide me with the url of one? (To me this is indeed
important, and I think it would be important to many others, in order
find out whether or to which degree it could be made a blue-print for
a global concesus.

Thanks again and

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
==========> ICQ yinyang 96391801 <==========