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Laurocerasus - rapid small motion aggravation

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:22 am
by Ellen Madono
Hi,
I will present a case with a strange symptom that I have not been able to locate and also to ask if Laurocerasus is a possible candidate as a remedy. Sorry this is long. I tried to label the sections.
HISTORY
I have a patient who apparently suppressed possibly old tubercular infection with steroids and antibiotics. The hospital gave him another dose of antibiotics which left him gasping much worse than when he went for testing. They told him they couldn't help him because they could not find the cause for the large grey shadow over half of his left lung.
I gave him Calc-c 6c which after a week taken daily produced a very painful inflammation in the left lung lasting about 24 hours. He withstood the pain and the hospital produced aggravation of symptoms that had been getting deeper over 3 years went back to the pre-hospital state plus a few small ameliorations. Also, had dark (bloody?) urine during the aggravation which he had in the past. Gave Calc-c 6c. His appetite returned, suffocating whole body racking dry cough went down to 2 x/day for 2-3 minutes. SRP - aggravation from rapid motion
The most interesting symptom that I have not been able to find in a search of either the EH (Encyclopedia Homeopathica) or Radar is: aggravation from tiny motions. Of course he has aggravations from large motions requiring more blood flow such as going up stairs, walking quickly. But, the odd thing is he has aggravations (gasping for breath and the above coughing) from doing things like washing his hair and face, brushing his teeth, and even chewing. I found aggravation from "rapid motion," but that could mean running, not these small body movements. For the EH search, I could bring up anything, but maybe my keyword choices were poor. I tried rapid motion, quick. Can anyone make better suggestions?
CALC-C SYMPTOMS
The thing is he is a college educated laborer. The problem is poor English - He's Japanese in the US. Very fixed on working hard as the solution to all his problem. Thinks that by working as a laborer, he will achieve the American dream (is 63 years old). Says he is very impatient. So when I was there, he ran to turn down the lights and went into a suffocation spell. Could not go down the steps slowly.
The respiratory problem started with a dry nose. Entire respiratory system seems dry. lying down.Worse, weak on waking for 2 hours.
He describes his social problems as someone watching him at work so he feels he has to be busy all the time. The pain in his chest, stomach pain both feel like a tight fist with pressure on it. Same feeling at work when he feels a boss is watching him. He came to America to be free of social constraints. Sensitive to pressure (thus hand is pushing down on his fist to describe stomach, chest and social pains) Tinnitus developed after airplane ride pressure change. Fears water. Fear feels like his whole body curls in and constriction. So the main sensation is constriction like a fist curling inward with pressure over the contracted fist.
LAUROCERASUS -- SIMILAR SYMPTOMS - Workaholic like calc-c. Pleasure in activity (Grandgeorge) Constriction, Contraction. Cheerful despite debility, (Vermeulen Synoptic MM). Intolerance to cold - keeps a hot water bottle full near his feet with no covers on and feet feel warm. (EH Farrington MM) Delusion of being accused. He is definitely gasping as if he were taking in no air with each gasp. I think the suppression of the lung infection could be described as "Lack of reactive power" over 3 years with sudden aggravation of infection as inflammation when given Calc-c. Digestion weak. Inclined to lose flesh. (Murphy Lotus)
LAUROCERASUS -- DOUBTS This does not seem to be a case of oedema of the lungs from a heart condition. No heart symptoms except for a little palpitation when he is suffocating. Thus, Laur is lying. He is > lying.
WHY 6c?
I have been taught not to change remedies rapidly. But this man is still coughing very violently 2 times a day. Thinking it might clear the suppressive drugs, I gave him Sulphur 200c. It produced aggravation of more gasping, but I am hoping to see skin aggravations come out. He has temporally stopped the Calc-c. I am thinking because he is suffering so badly and Calc-c seems a bit slow I should at least try the Laurocerasus. What do you think? He has been on Calc-c for a month. The Calc-c ameliorations are return of appetite, perhaps slightly better energy (very hard to judge because his condition fluctuates), less coughing.
CONSIDERATIONS
Abdur Rehman's Encyclopedia of Remedy Relationships states that Cac-c should not be repeated too often. I was trying to get him to repeat 6c every week, but the Px would not cooperate. He feels it should be repeated every day. He does finger testing (a kind of reflex testing) to make these decisions. Also the same source Gives 60 days as the remedy duration. Don't know what that means since it is not associated with a particular dosage. I am following Eizayaga's dosage system learned from Robin Murphy's teaching decades ago. It usually works, and is good for fragile cases like this one. Comes from sturdy stock and has lead a pretty clean life except for stopping smoking 10 years ago and childhood exposure to TB. I am considering moving on to an LM when he gets in a bit better shape.
NUTRITION
He was given supplements by some irresponsible nutritionist, but he felt that he could not digest them and quit taking them. He is very poor since he has not worked for 3 years, so I don't want to get him on any kind of expensive regime But, I thought perhaps Dr. Roz's gem buds could help clean out his kidney and lungs. Any experience? Digestion is obviously a problem. He is very thin. I contacted his relatives and got some financial support for him, but these are very poor people. I don't want to burden anyone. Maria Bohle suggested Magnesium to help with the coughing thought of as muscle spasm - as a muscle relaxant. Am asking him to get an acid combination.
VITAL FORCE
The suppressive medications were mild compared to many others I have seen. The man takes good care of himself given his circumstances and is in a good frame of mind. Did yoga, treated people with Japanese traditional bodywork in the past. He has been working as a fish cutter in a Japanese grocery store in New York. So he has mercury exposure and did a detox for that. Also, disinfectants are sprayed in that kind of work settings and he did not seem to be at all concerned.
Appreciate any of your thoughts,
Ellen Madono

Re: Laurocerasus - rapid small motion aggravation

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:54 am
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
Have a look at Medorhhinum: constricted + suffocate + tuberculosis + motion agg + hard work + workaholic + lying amel + delusion observed/watched + pain pressing tight + restlessness in Reference Works, only remedy that covers everything.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
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Re: Laurocerasus - rapid small motion aggravation

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:16 am
by Ellen Madono
Hi Dr. Roz,
I don't think he is restless. He is impatient. He needs very exact instructions and wants to quickly do what he understands to be instructions. Low interest in the rationale behind instructions. If he doesn't understand a clear set of instructions, he wants to avoid it. Also, he does not over do things. More like he is trying to escape and hide from trouble. Tubercular miasm maybe, but certainly Psoric. Not sycotic.
Haven't had a lung patient who was not a heart patient and cured by Laurocerasus? I think of Laurocerasus as an emergency remedy not as a chronic disease remedy.
You don't think he is a candidate for Gemtheraphy? To clean out the kidney and lungs. How much expense would those remedies involve. Can I get them in the USA?
Best,
Ellen
Have a look at Medorhhinum: constricted + suffocate + tuberculosis + motion agg + hard work + workaholic + lying amel + delusion observed/watched + pain pressing tight + restlessness in Reference Works, only remedy that covers everything.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Visit http://drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for some articles and comments.

Re: Laurocerasus - rapid small motion aggravation

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:07 pm
by Vesi Gancheva
What do you think about Bryonia?
Regards
Vesi
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Re: Laurocerasus - rapid small motion aggravation

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:13 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Ellen,
Yes, that's ambiguous. Can you trace the reference for each potential
rx in the mat med, and *see* just what was meant?
I thought perhaps "slight exertion" might apply, tho don't find a
rubric for that specifically for cough. But maybe worth a look at
plain ol' "Cough, exertion agg." (36 rx)?

And possibly also at "Generalities, weakness..., exertion agg, slight"?
Not great, but in the direction maybe?
Is someone *in fact* watching him, or is this a delusion?
To me testing with 6c sounds very reasonable--I've come to feel very
fond of 6c, actually. :-)
In the beginning with repeated low potency doses, I like to have them
pay attention to early response: Does he feel improvement during the
day after the dose, and does the improvement begin to fade by the
following day? If that is the situation, I would personally see no
reason not to let him repeat daily--tho need for daily repeat *might*
be another sign that the remedy is not quite right. Or it might simply
be a sign that the disease is strong and/or his VF weak? But I would
not find it out-of-line to repeat 6c daily in a chronic situation (tho
in chronic conditions not usually necessary, in my limited experience),
and even less so in a situation such as this...?

I'm curious whether others feel differently?
Is he able to identify how long it takes him to feel the effect of the
remedy--does he definitely feel better on that same day? Perhaps even
within minutes? See if he can tell! When the remedy is taken, what is
the first symptom to improve? When it's wearing off, what is the first
symptom to begin to return?

IMO it is very useful to notice those things, and in my (limited)
experience that has been an extremely reliable way of deciding how
often and when to repeat--with a serious situation, rather than waiting
for that symptom to begin to return, just have him plan to repeat
*before* the relapse would begin. For my small handful of people,
that's always worked well.
Can you briefly explain Eizayaga's approach for that?
Is that where your goal of a week between doses comes from?
I think magnesium is a great idea--in addition to possibly helping the
cough, it's a wonderful "stress support" and relaxer. And, it's cheap!
Just not magnesium oxide, as that neutralizes stomach acid, and his is
probably too low already. (Some people need extra B6 to help absorb
magnesium; for most I think it would not be an issue.)

What's his diet like?
Best,
Shannon

Re: Laurocerasus - rapid small motion aggravation

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:35 pm
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
I used what I understood from your email....... Gemmotherapy could be useful but indeed you need a full case and if you want to do a "cleansing" it should be done properly with organotherapy, drainage and detoxification using the most appropriate method or methods fitting this specific patient.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Visit http://drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for some articles and comments.

Re: Laurocerasus - rapid small motion aggravation

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:32 am
by Dale Moss
Ellen,
A quick search of Reference Works under "respiration worse slight motion" brings up Bryonia, Carb-v., Ipec., and Stannum. Do any of these fit?
Peace,
Dale

Re: Laurocerasus - rapid small motion aggravation

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:56 am
by Ellen Madono
Hi Dr. Roz,
I am not ready now for this patient, but I am considering getting your book and begin studying if gemmotherapy is something that I could be using for this kind of impoverished patient.
You didn't answer my questions about cost and availability of gemmotherapy remedies in the US. Is this a complex issue? I am actually in Japan now, so I guess here I would be ordering from Australia? I heard something about needing professional liscenses to order the gemmotherapy remedies.
Blessings,
Ellen
I used what I understood from your email....... Gemmotherapy could be useful but indeed you need a full case and if you want to do a "cleansing" it should be done properly with organotherapy, drainage and detoxification using the most appropriate method or methods fitting this specific patient.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Visit http://drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for some articles and comments.

Re: Laurocerasus - rapid small motion aggravation

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:13 am
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
Seroyal in the US did have them, I order mine through my Pharmacy SImillimum directly from Belgium, from Herbalgem, www.herbalgem.com
I have no idea about what is happening in the US regarding availability of anything........
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Visit http://drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for some articles and comments.

Re: Laurocerasus - rapid small motion aggravation

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:16 am
by Ellen Madono
Hi,
Thanks. At least it is available. Is it something that you can stock and use with many patients over time like a homeopathic remedy?
Best,
Ellen
Seroyal in the US did have them, I order mine through my Pharmacy SImillimum directly from Belgium, from Herbalgem, www.herbalgem.com
I have no idea about what is happening in the US regarding availability of anything........
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Visit http://drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for some articles and comments.