Minutus

Hi H2002
Thanks for the post, but I don't think mine was completely clear. I don't propose attacking allopathy. I do propose introducing, or increasing, the "crack of doubt" that the public is already beginning to feel about allopathic treatment. I do propose a change in our perspective that we are "dogs yapping against the sun". Allopathy is in itself fragmented, and the general public are well aware by now that it's not the only player in town. I do propose increasing attacks on the so-called scientific method (aka God), by which everything in life (this world and all future and past reincarnations) is measured. I agree, sadly, that it seems Homeopathy is no longer under the radar. I greatly appreciate those activists who fight the cause of homeopathy around the world.
Having just come from a heated argument this evening with an intelligent person spouting nonsense about homeopathy, reiki, and his tax dollars going to fund homeopathic hospitals (he's English, spouting all the recent propaganda very nicely), I found I really wanted a resource - one site which I could refer him to which would have several well-worded unambiguous articles intended for the intelligent brainwashed layperson. Is there such a thing?
Regards to all,
Vera

I have ben trying to put together a letter. Do not quite know where I would send it. I loved the chamomilla bit in a letter to Minutus recently and the necessity of razor sharp perception which is what makes the modality so much fun for us also copied from something in mail recently
except when really necessary folk could be empowered to take more control over their own health. Homeopathy is a system of medicine where this is possible for the day to day dramas.. For more complex matters it is also a system where the mind is challenged as working out the remedy to incorporate both the mental and physical effects of the disturbance . It requires the mind of a detective and a deep knowledge of human nature , inheritance , homeopathic writings and Materia Medica. A wealth of information is available going back to the 1800s. I have often wished some of the excellent minds of the Medical Profession could be directed to this modality . I feel that a homeopath in every health care team including casualty and intensive care could enhance patient care. Obviously some preliminary trials to prove this are necessary. . An atmosphere where this is possible being the first step

The sceptics could be neutralized if they presented in some acute situation to a competent homeopath to experience the deep healing effect

. Homeopathy unlike nursing. In nursing, just kindness is enough. In homeopathy add razor-sharp perception to kindness.
I'm reading through the most commonly used remedies at the moment
noting the various symptoms they go with etc.. Of course as I'm reading
I'm making note of which ones seem to match my little ones (My daughter
turned my hubby into a homeopathy convert once when she was teething
and I attempted to give her a chamomilla tablet which was dissolved in
water. She hit my hand dumping it on her face and in a split second
stopped her tantrum and apologized!).

Brainwashed but still open?
I guess that would also fill a need for anyone simply seeking an
introduction to homeopathy. One worth a look is part of the old NCH /
National Center for Homeopathy website:
http://www.homeopathic.org/introduction.htm, which includes nice
introductory articles by Julian Winson, and others. I don't know why
these are not also at their new website,
http://nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/ ... uctory.jsp
but it also has some good intro material. I haven't looked thru it
thoroughly, but looks like a possibility so far.
Shannon

Vera, did anyone suggest Dr. Tim Dooley’s Homeopathy Beyond Flat Earth Medicine. About 60 pages or so; very understandable; available to read on the net, I believe, or is readable while sitting at Borders. Folks in my study group buy them in quantity and give them out. Teresa (Northern VA)
[...] I really wanted a resource - one site which I could refer him to which would have several well-worded unambiguous articles intended for the intelligent brainwashed layperson. Is there such a thing?

my disagreement with some of your comments concerns
directing otherwise intelligient people to an article
that would inform them clearly. i find that we are
often dealing with an article of faith based belief
and all the logic in the world won't open up that mind.
as a matter of fact, my experience has often shown that
if you get even a little bit close to shaking their belief
system, they react with an even deeper intansigence.
and that is the problem we face. people live in a deep
co-dependent relationship with allopathy. they accept it
as faith despite all the abuses that they are aware of and
may have sufferred personally themselves. as many on this
list have noted, some dramatic event needs to occur that
puts a person into the presence of a dramatic healing. that
is when conversion occurs. i deal with this same human
phenomenon when talking about race. you can present all the
data in the most intellectual and coherent manner and all you
get is a shrug of the shoulders, denial, or counter attack.
it is an issue of faith-based belief that can only change
when you change the heart--and that is an emotional state
that needs to be reached.
i tell people about dramatic cures that i have experienced
or created. i often compare my experience to what it might
have been with a drug/surgery based protocol. i try to find
something personal in them to connect with to move the feelings.
then, after that occurs, you might find some openess to insert
the 'facts.'
tanya

excellent intro book for many. i often recommend it.
he speaks from a personal, experiential base describing
his journey and success.
tanya

I've enjoyed the discussion about how best to protect and grow homeopathy. There have been several good points made but I think there is another positive option to add to the list of actions possible: promote all complementary and alternative medicine. This is called "raising the lake" of public awareness and acceptance so all of the "boats" of individual therapies like homeopathy rise together. With a "united we stand" approach we can present a bigger, stronger front. By adding hundreds of other therapies proven successful for ages it becomes much more difficult to say that it doesn't work, the argument becomes one of degree instead of a black-or-white.
Alan Smith

Alan E. Smith
UnBreak Your Health
Website www.unbreakyourhealth.com

Dale Moss wrote:

This is a very good point. I like to do something similar - for example
in the feline veterinary area using pyometra or FIP or herpes or
prevention of abortion or bordetella - as feline examples of what works
with homeopathy but generally does not work at all with allopathy.
Those kinds of examples speak loudly to anyone who knows that those
examples are no-go's for allopathy (and with no placebo excuses.)

However I also know how it is to be a stubborn allopathically trained
and indoctrinated person, brought up to beware of snake oil etc, as
that was indeed my background. My father was hotly anti-homeopathy and I
took ages to find out why: His own father was a homeopath and failed to
cure himself, and died of appendicitis when my dad was 14 - during the
great depression - causing untold difficulties for a 14 yr old with a
large family to support.
SO obviously homeopathy was snake oil and he made sure his family knew
it. Perhaps it is useful - in that I can use arguments with others -
knowing the thinking - that would have impressed me when I was in that mode.

Nobody converted me with their thinking - I was converted by having a
gangrenous leg avoid amputation via Calendula 200C. And of course a
personal experience is indeed the strongest impetus to investigate
homeopathy open-mindedly - but I like to think I would have seen the
light (or at least the energy) if I'd seen the logic of homeopathy
presented to me at a scientific level - as indeed it impressed me
greatly when I got to it.

Indeed - it was on reading Vithoulkas's little book "Homeopathy:
Medicine of the new man" followed by a history from Hippocrates to the
difference between succussion and dilution - along with Hahnemann's own
analogies in the Organon to magnet manufacture to explain how physical
energy is added to increase potency (a simple physics principle anyway -
and allopaths all study physics I hope) - and also his examples of
similar diseases - which rang bells as I knew from microbiology studies
that smallpox vaccine is made from cowpox - a similar disease. ...All
that true science that made sense and started on the "common ground"
with allopathy that I already had - opened the door for me to see the
*science* behind homeopathy. If one starts with AGREED common ground, it
is easier to "grow" that ground - than to start from scratch with a sceptic.

I thought before that, that homeopathy had to be taken on faith in some
way - and was very happy to find it does not. It's very scientific.
We need to get allopathically oriented people to see that science. NOt
allopathic science - buit real science, the kind behind homeopathy.
There is nothing scientific about a double-blind placebo controlled etc
etc (fill in the usual hype) etc study! Calling those scientific does
not make them so!

I started to see that the science behind homeopathy - and I mean real
science that any allopath can follow - is far stronger in fact - than
the "science behind allopathy", which I put in quotes because if you
really look there is no science behind it! What they call science after
all is based on opinions about drugs in studies on random people. There
is no basic PRINCIPLE on which allopathy is built - that is a GIGANTIC
fly in the ointment to any true scientist - or so it should be!
Allopathic medicines use only opinion about studies, with a bunch of
assumptions behind them - short-term at best. NOT one principle upon
which to base those studies however!!! That truly is NOT science.
Studies need to be based on a principle - as provings are in homeopathy
for example. Some drug study has zero natural law or principle (like
gravity or speed of light or e=mc2 etc) to be based on. It's pure
guesswork to see what it does - rather than to have a principle by which
in theory it should work (before any testing is done at all) - which is
then tested by the study and which will tehn allopw *prediction* of what
else will work. There is no such thing in allopathy - because it is not
true science.
In homepathy we have provings - based on the incontrovertible natural
law of like cures like, as observed since 400BC or so (Hippocrates) and
which thus can not be disproved - and thus the provings so undertaken
give results that are *predictive* IN ADVANCE of any illness and
including any as yet uninvented illness - of what the remedy will do (or
not do) in ANY given circumstance or case! Now THAT is science.

Using a principle (or more than one) derived from natural laws - is a
whole different ballgame from the messing about that allopathy does -
and such natural laws are behind all good science (but there are none
behind allopathy!)

So, In my view - those are three main avenues to help someone with
allopathic bent, to understand the value and validity of homeopathy:
* Personal experience of healing;
* Observing healings they know allopathy does not get;
* Reading the real science behind homeopathy, starting with Hippocrates
as common ground - and growing the knowledge from that common ground.

I find it ironic that Hippocrates is said to be the father of modern
medicine, so much so his name is on the hippocratic oath - and he is
also listed as the earliest man to document the "like cures like"
*principle* (a natural law) that was so often observed independently
through history (even though it was not developed into a full fledged
system of medicine till Hahnemann came along.)

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I said in my email:
I believe I misedited, sorry - it was Tanya's idea, Dale was agreeing....

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I think we should get our vocabulary and our facts corrected; we should stop call pharmaceutical research and products "medicine". It is nothing but a business trying to create a product, create a market and sell, sell, sell..........
Medicine is the Art AND Science of recognizing a pattern of ill-health, the mechanism through which it happened, if possible, and the ways to return the patient to full health, i.e. curing him, or, if not possible, to alleviate the suffering in the simplest, cheapest and least harmful way.
With this type of definition, maybe written in better words, we might find that many practitioners "enemies" of homeopathy indeed would agree and find common ground for a renewal of the healing art and the sane development and promotion of its different branches and methods.
Am I sitting on a little cloud kidding myself?????????
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
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