Minutus

Just now my cat vomited up a worm, about 3-4 inches long, like a white,
slightly flattened noodle. (But 'tweren't no noodle--it *moved*!) Can
anyone tell me what it might have been (no I didn't save it!), and what
better way to proceed rather than knee-jerking to cina? (I see the
rubric, STOMACH; VOMITING; worms (37) : acon., anac., apoc., arg-n.,
ars., atista, bar-m., bell., calc., carb-v., chel., chin., cina, coff.,
cupr., desm-g., ferr., ferr-m., hyos., ip., lach., merc., nat-m.,
nux-v., phos., phyt., plb., puls., ruta, sabad., Sang., sec., sil.,
spig., sulph., verat., vip.)

I've never given him a remedy, but he seems like a sulphury kind of
guy, and I see that in the rubric--can anyone suggest a better way to
proceed?

He's about 4; this is the first time I've seen him vomit, he's been
generally healthy, haven't noticed anything different recently.

Right before starting to vomit he started "talking"--like his usual
(unusually loud) meow, but louder and more insistent than his usual,
almost (but not quite) what I'd call a yowl. After the vomiting I put
him out, and he walked off in what looks like his usual manner.

I would welcome suggestions about what to do!
Thanks,
Shannon

Hi Shannon - Your instincts look good to me - the Sulph if that's his
constitutional type. Often worms respond to low potency like 6X.
Santoninum is also a good one to look at.
The "noodles" are most likely tapeworm or roundworm. Tapeworm tends
to be flattened a lot and the larger ones are from mice with tapeworm -
smaller ones from fleas with tapeworm- end segments break off (they are
egg packets) and the segments are identifying charcteristics. Roundworm
also can look flattish, and comes in different lengths in different
areas, usually whitish, but no segments.
There are less likely options as well.
For a specific diagnosis of worm type (which also helps in remedy
selection and planning for avoidance) take a fecal sample to any vet -
they will look for and identify the eggs of the relevant parasite under
the microscope.

The danger is in having the cat outdoors - I keep mine indoors plus
outdoor enclosures where I can control what dangers they get into. Some
of my enclosures here as examples:
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/catrun.html

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hello Shannon
The worm in your cat sounds like Tape worm - you must see a Vet for Tapeworm remedy - check her behind if there are small "pieces" of white like granules and check her litter box. Its the fastes way to get rid of Tapeworms they can really make your cat very sick - loose weight etc. You can still give her the homeopathy remedies for additional help.
Gisela

Shannon
Addition to previous mail - by the way Tapeworms can infect YOur Family and all other animals in your household - except Fish or Birds -:) That is why speed of removal is mandatory
Gisela

shannon,
i know that yowl. it is a very scarey sound. the poor cat is
in real discomfort. it IS very insistent. when my cat was in
such terrible distress prior to her brain seizure, she would
begin to yowl like that. with her is was from disorientation
we think and the fear that it created for her. on occasion she
does it now, but i think it is for wanting attention or help.
she has arthritis in her hip and sometimes it is painful and
she wants to be carried to her food or just held.
george mccleod recommends the following: felix mas, granata,
kamala. he speaks of using 3x, 2x daily for 30 days. he is
not a very verbose writer so you should research these rx to
see if they seem to fit the case.
tanya

From: Robert & Shannon Nelson
Date: 12/5/2007 3:19:16 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] cat with worms
Just now my cat vomited up a worm, about 3-4 inches long, like a white,
slightly flattened noodle. (But 'tweren't no noodle--it *moved*!) Can
anyone tell me what it might have been (no I didn't save it!), and what
better way to proceed rather than knee-jerking to cina? (I see the
rubric, STOMACH; VOMITING; worms (37) : acon., anac., apoc., arg-n.,
ars., atista, bar-m., bell., calc., carb-v., chel., chin., cina, coff.,
cupr., desm-g., ferr., ferr-m., hyos., ip., lach., merc., nat-m.,
nux-v., phos., phyt., plb., puls., ruta, sabad., Sang., sec., sil.,
spig., sulph., verat., vip.)
I've never given him a remedy, but he seems like a sulphury kind of
guy, and I see that in the rubric--can anyone suggest a better way to
proceed?
He's about 4; this is the first time I've seen him vomit, he's been
generally healthy, haven't noticed anything different recently.
Right before starting to vomit he started "talking"--like his usual
(unusually loud) meow, but louder and more insistent than his usual,
almost (but not quite) what I'd call a yowl. After the vomiting I put
him out, and he walked off in what looks like his usual manner.
I would welcome suggestions about what to do!
Thanks,
Shannon
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Great then, I will try sulphur 6x!
Irene, what wonderful pictures! Your cats sure are leading "the good
life". )
Beautiful site...!
Thanks again,
Shannon

Thanks Gisela,
I'll keep a close eye, and will see the vet if he loses any weight!
Shannon

Argh, thanks...
How would they spread, other than feces?
Shannon

Thanks Tanya,
But it was only that one episode; I *think* he was upset at the feeling
of starting to vomit, since, as far as I'm aware, he might never have
vomited before? (Or maybe the worm was irritating his stomach?)
There's been no more since. I'll read on the remedies, thanks!
Shannon

gisela wrote: you must see a Vet for

I would not even think of doing that.
The tapeworm remedy used by vets can kill some cats in a single dose. In
fact some constitutional types get ataxic within minutes, Colch cats for
example.

Since the cat in question is an outdoor one, it will be repeatedly
exposed, so using drugs to kill worms would add regular toxin to teh cat
- not good.
Far better to use the route of building resistance to the worms so
that exposure does not automatically mean infestation and drugs...in my
opinion. This needs homeopathy AND diet - as cell walls that are strong
and resistant to invasion are necessary and require good diet to achieve
and maintain. Problem is that nearly all commercial cat food, especially
the "holistic", is either junkfood or toxic to cats - so many more cats
are at risk for worms and other health problems, than should be the case.
It's actually rare for the cat to be nearly as sick as the drugs will
make it, in my experience, and it takes a long slow deterioration to
reduce the general health- it's not an instant serious toxin.
I agree the worms need to go, they are eating the cat's food and
making it eat more, and so they are a form of malnutrition - but I do
not agree that drugs are needed or that there is a panic needed for timing.

I'd have patience with the time it takes to rebuild the resistance to
them and I'd not use drug purges.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."