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Which is homeopathy

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:46 pm
by muthu kumar
In my dream I have a patient with a chronic liver problem ( from
malaria and also may be due to Valproic acid he took as an allopathic
treatment or whatever till about 2 months back and the current
problems might have started from there) now with some acute pain on
liver region-
The following medicines seemed appropriate -

He looks like a chronic Lycopodium.

I recently read that Tinospora cordifolia is a good liver tonic,
herb, good anti-malarial etc and I want to give it in 2x and seems to
fit his liver problems

Valproic acid 30 for counter acting the effects of allopathic
drugging

but his current acute symptoms seem to be like Berberis v. as well...

patient cannot come to see me often and cannot get to phone
frequently

I have to decide between these approaches, Please recommend a
homepathically appropriate approach that ensures that my ordinary
dream does not become a night mare....If possible explain why this
selection is not scary-

pick one of these or add as you wish - but the medicines should only
be from the four above

1)Lycopodium LM1 , repeat

2)Valproic acid + Tinospora + Berberis+ Lycopodium continue till cure
( or whatever)

3)Berberis V daily 1 dose , Lyco weekly, Valproic acid 30
occasionally, Tinospora MT 15 drops 3 times daily

4) Berb v daily, Tinopsora daily , later Valproic acid and Lyco after
patient gets better

5) Or any other better approach
Question for special bonus points: Why is number 2 a good idea or a
bad idea? Is that homeopathy or not?

People like Dr.Cotter with decades of experience might not object (
I will not object either though I would hesitate to do it in my
practice and still call it homeopathy- but -all the 4 in the
combination are individualized for that patient - so it is not blind
combination but intelligent revolutionary combination)

Thanks for not waking me up

Re: Which is homeopathy

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:36 am
by Didi Ananda Rucira
Dear hahnemannian

Please consider strongly before all other treatment to start to simply give 3-5 split doses (over 3-5 days) of CHINA SULPH. I have found it most effective in clearing out toxins from iatrogenitis. After clearing the toxins, generally all that's needed is a single (probably malaria-oriented) silimia matching the remaining sx.
In Him,
Ananda Rucira
visit: www.abhalight.org
skype: anandarucira
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Re: Which is homeopathy

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:37 am
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Dear Didi Ananda

There is no such thing as a SPLIT dose! Else pls give me references.

Each time you give a dose, it is just that a dose.

Therefore you must justify why the second prescription was made, when the
first dose is still working.

(I trust you are familiar with the problem of turning the starter key when
the engine is still running.) :-)

Regards

Soroush

Re: Which is homeopathy

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:58 pm
by muthu kumar
Dear Soroush-

There are so many methods of administering the remedy as there are
practitioners. We have seen this in this forum as well as in the
writings of all the masters - new and old. Even MLTyler was
experimenting with gradient doses.

We have seen the split dosing in current and old writings as well...

May be in this situation- the analogy should be not using the starter
key when engine is running but may be using a hammer to drive in a
nail - not in one big blow but may be 3 or 4 small taps- ( as long as
this is not the nail in patient's coffin ;-)
)
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Finrod" wrote:
when the
key when
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15/10/2007

Re: Which is homeopathy

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:40 pm
by Teresa Kramer
Very nice analogy. Teresa (Northern VA)
May be in this situation- the analogy should be not using the starter
key when engine is running but may be using a hammer to drive in a
nail - not in one big blow but may be 3 or 4 small taps- ( as long as
this is not the nail in patient's coffin ;-)
)

Re: Which is homeopathy

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:51 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Let us use your analogy.

The hammer head drives the nail down. We use the weight of the hammer-head
and force behind it based on the size, material of the nail and the
properties of the item being driven into. (POTENCY?)

We deliver the hammer blow.

The nail is driven into the material to some extent. BUT WHAT HAPPENS THEN?

The nail STOPS somewhere.

We then make a judgement.

Does the nail needs to go further in?
Is it still straight?
Is there damage to the material we were driving a nail into?

If the answers are YES, YES and NO, then another blow is warranted.

We MUST assess what has happened before another dose is given.
Regards

Soroush

Re: Which is homeopathy

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:37 pm
by muthu kumar
THEN?

What you say is true if that is the first nail. When I fixed my book
shelf I had about 40+ nails to put in, all the same size and all of
them going into the frame of the book shelf, after the first 2 I knew
that 3 taps at a particular angle with a particular force would do...

May be with experience people can make a judgment call. What you say is
ideal - yes... if it were a robot with a computer that guides it - that
is what it will do ( even though an intelligent robot would still try to
take short cuts and try to come up with a formula) -

but we humans are guided by past experiences and patterns- ( and that is
why we go in for key notes and specifics)- and we cut corners...so what
we do may not be ideal but sometimes practical would be enough- as 100%
of our prescriptions are already - ( whoever covers 100% of all the
symptoms of the patient in any prescription?)

And what I am saying is if you read Sarabhai Kapadia and others-
repetitions of high dilutions are done like nobody's business and not
waiting for seeing the results -

I am not defending this or anything - looks to me that there are so
many ways to skin the leopard and spice it...

yum...

Re: Which is homeopathy

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:54 pm
by Rochelle
At my college NWCH we were taught to give 3 doses in 24 hours and neither I
or my patients have had any problems with it!! I routinely dose like this
with a 30 C often with a 200C but not higher. But then I also with some
remedies /patients I will give 30, 200, 1M in 24 hours. This also has caused
no problems and I started doing this with Carc after I found it lessened the
emotional agg (anger) that can happen with this remedy. As usual everything
is individual, depending on patient and /or remedy. I also sometimes give a
Water Potency/Klein's split dose with plussing method. It is all individual
and often decided on by Clinical practice.

Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

Re: Which is homeopathy

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:32 pm
by Irene de Villiers
Finrod wrote:

That's a lovely idea and works most of the time - but it's not an idea
that can always be used.
For example in a FIP case, if you wait to see what's happening, the cat
dies. You have to actually pre-empt the symptoms - plus some use of
mentals as a guide to what's happening internally up to a point.

It's not always that nothing is happening if you see nothing - it's that
you can not SEE what is happening in most FIP cases as it is internal
and often has no obvious external visible sign.
I lost all my early FIP cases, waiting to assess things - and learned
the hard way that there are times to dose after good succussion to
prevent aggravation - far more frequently than "after assessing the
situation" - in what I call a "pre-emptive" manner.
I shall even go so far as to pre-empt body damage that has not yet
occurred but which expereince tells me WILL occur soon. If I wait for it
and respond only to the visible symptoms of the damage - it will again
be too late to save the case.

Waiting to assess the signs in such a fast moving case is contrary to
the principles of the Organon which asks to cure gently and quickly -
not to wait for more damage before each dose.

So in a FAST disease like FIP, you have to use the principles of the
Organon and not the specific "wait and see" examples!
Because - If you wait you see death - and that's not what the Organon
advocates.

So you might assess response in slower illnesses - but not in all
illnesses before re-administering remedy. Fast-moving ones need a
different approach to be successful in meeting *principles* of cure.
This is why I see "principles" as being above "rules" in relevance,
where there is potential for conflict between them.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: Which is homeopathy

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:57 pm
by muthu kumar
If FIP is an exception then it goes to prove the rule then....
Any rule has an exception and even Similia similibus curentur has
exceptions....

There are situations where allopathy or surgery alone might be the
answer-

Everyone milks the "Organon" cow...so "udder"ly funny
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Irene de Villiers
wrote:
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