Minutus

Does anybody know of a prophylactic for tetnus? My son incurred a cut
from a rusty pipe. I treated the wound (a flap of skin on top of a
half inch cut) with tea tree oil, aloe and calendula essence
topically. I'm not concerned with the healing as much as I am with
tetnus. I'd appreciate any suggestions.

Ledum.
Christine
www.dogsonholiday-uk.com
www.homoeopathyclassical.com

See my pages on the reality of tetanus - lots of hype about it.
Rusty doesn't mean there is tetanus, although they make you think there is.

Key is to let it bleed really well and clean out well with soapy water.

These are common remedies thought to be helpful with tetanus prevention -
give according to the symptom picture

HYPERICUM (2). Wounds form a thrust, cut, bruise or tearing asunder.
Violent pains far around the wound and up through the limb. Reputed to be
useful in the early stages of tetanus. Indicated in spasms of small
children after every slight injury. Good for injuries to area that are rich
in sensitive nerves such as fingers and toes. Splinters and thorns, esp. if
pain travel along nerves. Lacerations that are intolerably painful and show
involvement of the nervous system. scratches that are extremely painful.
Cat scratch fever. Crush wounds. Gun shot wounds. Use internally and
externally. They are worse cold applications.

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The thing with tetnus is to remember that it is an anaerobe - and only survives and thrives in that environment so at all costs do not allow the wound to close off and fester under the cut. it is sometimes good to keep a wet dressing on it - I use a pad soaked with calendula tincture in saline and just keep wetting the pad and changing when necessary. Keeping it wet allows it to vent thus stopping deep festering and the wound tends to granulate from inside out rather than forming scab and closing the wound off. The remedies the others have given are the same as I use but as always prescribe on the symptoms that are presenting. Have used this technique many times including on myself.
I stabbed a large rusty and dirt covered nail very deep into the side of my calf when I slipped behind some boards and then tore it trying to extracate myself, in a cattle yard, in an area where tetnus is known to exist. and a very high risk of tetnus type injury - this method worked really well - Ledum was the remedy as within minutes the leg had gone cold and I wanted to put ice on it - within minutes the pain had all but gone unless I rolled onto it at night, and I used the return of pain as indication for repeating remedy. Hole discharged for quite a while getting less and less as it healed. I let it dry out at one stage and within 24hours was painful and swelling again so back to wet dressing and all settled again once it started to discharge again.
Hope this is of use Pauline
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It is my understanding that you need anaerobic bacteria and lack of oxygen to the wound to get tetanus, it has nothing really to do with rust and more to do with the depth and how much oxygen can get to the entire wound, this is why it is associated with puncture wounds. I too have always heard Ledum, that is also what is used in the prophylaxis kits sold. Kathy
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pauline Ashford
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:48 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] tetnus prevention
The thing with tetnus is to remember that it is an anaerobe - and only survives and thrives in that environment so at all costs do not allow the wound to close off and fester under the cut. it is sometimes good to keep a wet dressing on it - I use a pad soaked with calendula tincture in saline and just keep wetting the pad and changing when necessary. Keeping it wet allows it to vent thus stopping deep festering and the wound tends to granulate from inside out rather than forming scab and closing the wound off. The remedies the others have given are the same as I use but as always prescribe on the symptoms that are presenting. Have used this technique many times including on myself.

I stabbed a large rusty and dirt covered nail very deep into the side of my calf when I slipped behind some boards and then tore it trying to extracate myself, in a cattle yard, in an area where tetnus is known to exist. and a very high risk of tetnus type injury - this method worked really well - Ledum was the remedy as within minutes the leg had gone cold and I wanted to put ice on it - within minutes the pain had all but gone unless I rolled onto it at night, and I used the return of pain as indication for repeating remedy. Hole discharged for quite a while getting less and less as it healed. I let it dry out at one stage and within 24hours was painful and swelling again so back to wet dressing and all settled again once it started to discharge again.

Hope this is of use Pauline
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LEdum and Hypericum,
IRene

elynoc wrote:

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

While ledum or hypericum are given internally for tetanus, calendula wet dressing is essential – as is keeping the wound completely covered wet for cutting off air. I do hope that for legal and safety reasons the tetanus shots if due were given.
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ramsey
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:37 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] tetnus prevention
It is my understanding that you need anaerobic bacteria and lack of oxygen to the wound to get tetanus, it has nothing really to do with rust and more to do with the depth and how much oxygen can get to the entire wound, this is why it is associated with puncture wounds. I too have always heard Ledum, that is also what is used in the prophylaxis kits sold. Kathy
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pauline Ashford
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:48 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] tetnus prevention
The thing with tetnus is to remember that it is an anaerobe - and only survives and thrives in that environment so at all costs do not allow the wound to close off and fester under the cut. it is sometimes good to keep a wet dressing on it - I use a pad soaked with calendula tincture in saline and just keep wetting the pad and changing when necessary. Keeping it wet allows it to vent thus stopping deep festering and the wound tends to granulate from inside out rather than forming scab and closing the wound off. The remedies the others have given are the same as I use but as always prescribe on the symptoms that are presenting. Have used this technique many times including on myself.

I stabbed a large rusty and dirt covered nail very deep into the side of my calf when I slipped behind some boards and then tore it trying to extracate myself, in a cattle yard, in an area where tetnus is known to exist. and a very high risk of tetnus type injury - this method worked really well - Ledum was the remedy as within minutes the leg had gone cold and I wanted to put ice on it - within minutes the pain had all but gone unless I rolled onto it at night, and I used the return of pain as indication for repeating remedy. Hole discharged for quite a while getting less and less as it healed. I let it dry out at one stage and within 24hours was painful and swelling again so back to wet dressing and all settled again once it started to discharge again.

Hope this is of use Pauline

Sarvadaman Oberoi wrote:

I don't know why you want to cut off air, since tetanus bacteria
(Clostridium tetani) are anaerobes and only grow when there is NO air,
or more specifically no oxygen.
Tetanus bacteria are common bacteria found pretty universally - and
it takes a deep wound that excludes air to allow them to grow and
produce tetanus toxin. It's the toxin they make when they have zero air,
which is dangerous.
Rusty things are not relevant but deep wounds are relevant as the
deep end of the wound gets no air.
Calendula is nice to close a wound, I would omit it here. I find the
following very effective for puncture wounds from whatever source
including bites:
Dose frequently aqueous with Led 30C and Hyper 200c right away and then
alternating every 15 mins starting as soon after the injury/bite etc as
possible, till you know there are no ill effects, then taper off the
dosing over the next 2 days.
They are not safe, they can be deadly, so I do not concur with this idea
at all. The Ledum and Hyper work just fine without the added danger of
tetanus shots. I know as my family have several members allergic to the
tetanus shots (probaboy as they are made with horse serum) and so
nobody uses them - we have all had plenty of puncture wounds and use
Led/Hyper approach with no hint of problem.
(There is no legal requirement for tetanus shots. One can tell clients
they exist and are "allopathic standard of care". It's the client's
decision what to use.)

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Irene

Gauze kept on the wound without a bandage which is kept wet with calendula permits limited exchange of sterile gases through the gauze including oxygen so this should be acceptable – in practice it works very well.

Sarvadaman.
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:51 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] tetnus prevention
Sarvadaman Oberoi wrote:

I don't know why you want to cut off air, since tetanus bacteria
(Clostridium tetani) are anaerobes and only grow when there is NO air,
or more specifically no oxygen.
Tetanus bacteria are common bacteria found pretty universally - and
it takes a deep wound that excludes air to allow them to grow and
produce tetanus toxin. It's the toxin they make when they have zero air,
which is dangerous.
Rusty things are not relevant but deep wounds are relevant as the
deep end of the wound gets no air.
Calendula is nice to close a wound, I would omit it here. I find the
following very effective for puncture wounds from whatever source
including bites:
Dose frequently aqueous with Led 30C and Hyper 200c right away and then
alternating every 15 mins starting as soon after the injury/bite etc as
possible, till you know there are no ill effects, then taper off the
dosing over the next 2 days.
They are not safe, they can be deadly, so I do not concur with this idea
at all. The Ledum and Hyper work just fine without the added danger of
tetanus shots. I know as my family have several members allergic to the
tetanus shots (probaboy as they are made with horse serum) and so
nobody uses them - we have all had plenty of puncture wounds and use
Led/Hyper approach with no hint of problem.
(There is no legal requirement for tetanus shots. One can tell clients
they exist and are "allopathic standard of care". It's the client's
decision what to use.)

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi Irene I would like to add a couple of things here
- I would not omit the calendula - have tried this and was not as satisfactory in a deep puncture or flap type wound - it is the WETNESS of the dressing that keeps the wound discharging and the Calendula is a good general antiseptic at the outer level. It is the constant discharging from the wound that keeps the tissue in the wound fairly clean, having it open to air does not increase the oxygenation inside the deep wound it is keeping the wound empty of accumulated pus and debris that allows oxygenation from the movement of fresh extracellular fluid (plus immune products) of the more healthy tissues surrounding the interior of the wound, into the area.
Opening the wound to air or a dry dressing will allow it to form a scab and close off. This is dangerous if tetnus is present. Remember tetnus can appear up to 50 days (average is 5-10 days) after innoculation of the wound with the clostridium tetanii. By keeping the wound discharging the level of exposure to the exotoxin is much less and therefore risk lower while our bodies respond along with the help of the 'best fit' remedy which is usually from those suggested.
I agree with you Irene regarding the vaccinations - however we have to realise that some people who join in our lists may not have the knowledge to correctly chose a remedy or know how to follow it thru - and they must make their decisions in light of this and we must watch our legal standing in some countries on this. It takes courage to step outside that which is purported to be 'in our best interests' and in some cases must only be undertaken if the alternative is well understood and able to be followed thru.
I also agree with the others that it is not the rustiness of an article that is of worry BUT it does give you indication that whatever it is has been out in the elements for sometime and its risk of being cantaminated are therefore higher!!
Regards Pauline
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