Minutus

We have proven that Homeopathy is nothing but ( makes me wince - but
then truth should be admitted) placebo...

Luis kunkle in various posts has conclusively shown us that
Hahnemann's and Boenninghausen's practice varied from what they
preached and from Organon.

In the latest such proof we are shown that contrary to many
aphorisms like 145 etc. Hahnemann did allow clinical symptoms and
did not just use pathogenetic symptoms... This makes even other
aphorisms suspect..

Also based on the discussions of the past month I could conclude

1) We can allow various substances without proving into homeopathy.
they can be prescribed anyhow based on any theory and if they show
results it validates homeopathy - ( am I missing something here) -
Hall mark of homeopathy - proving and individualization - is not
needed... we can always do that later...

2)Remedies can be mixed in various ways and used and it would still
be homeopathy - No similarity is needed...neither is single medicine

3)Minuteness of the dose of course varies with edition of Organon
etc.

If you really think about all of this- homeopathic medicine can be
anything ( Thanks Piet) esp. if it comes from the periodic table and
of course be effective, can be prescribed on almost any basis-
radionics to energy written on paper( some find this effective -so
that proves it is homeopathic or at least that needs more attention -
thanks Shannon) can be combined in any which way without losing
power- Homeopathy as a system of medicine does not have even a
guide book like the Organon that can be trusted ( because Hahnemann
and Boenninghausen have been proven to falsify a lot- thanks Luis).

The only substance that can be all of this and still be effective in
at least some people is only placebo.

And we have come to the same conclusion all by ourselves based on
our discussions...we do not AMA and British Medical Association or
whatever to prove that to the world-

In a world of evidence based medicine - we stick out proudly saying
that we have a medicine that is nothing ( or can be anything) but
can cure everything-

Paradox of practical therapeutics....

hahnemannian2002 wrote May 26, 2007 8:43 AM
We have proven that Homeopathy is nothing but ( makes me wince - but
then truth should be admitted) placebo...I could conclude

1) We can allow various substances without proving into homeopathy.
they can be prescribed anyhow based on any theory and if they show
results it validates homeopathy - ( am I missing something here) -
Hall mark of homeopathy - proving and individualization - is not
needed... we can always do that later...

2)Remedies can be mixed in various ways and used and it would still
be homeopathy - No similarity is needed...neither is single medicine

3)Minuteness of the dose of course varies with edition of Organon
etc.

homeopathic medicine can be anything ( Thanks Piet) … periodic table and
of course be effective, can be prescribed on almost any basis-
radionics to energy written on paper( ..thanks Shannon) ..does not have even a
guide book like the Organon that can be trusted ( because Hahnemann
and Boenninghausen have been proven to falsify a lot- thanks Luis).

COMMENTS I

First refer to POTENCY (6C) and METHOD (Water dose) (6C Water Potency has been referred to by H in ORGANON 6th Ed)

From: Sarvadaman Oberoi [mailto:manioberoi@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: RE: [Minutus] Irregular bowel movement

Dear Rochelle,

I faced this same problem of excessive repetition – however I stick to water potency in 6C or 6X (for older weaker) and in the last one year excellent results and no aggravations, none whatsoever. When I say excellent I mean 100 percent cases dramatically improvement or fully cured to date. (Excluding those who discontinued for one reason or the other). (Rochelle had used 30C Water Potency)
CONCLUSION I

DOSE POTENCY (LM or 6C) and METHOD (Water or dry) have an individual effect and differential exists.

COMMENTS II

It is only after more than a year of prescribing based on individual case taking and time consuming research to ascertain the remedy the potency and the method / repetition ( I find that repetition in 6C or 6X only balances and does no discernible harm. I take only cases where the best of vets, allopaths or homeopaths are unable to provide relief ) that cases come to me after word of mouth or direct advice of vets or allopaths / homeopaths. ). It is ascertained fact that the placebo (?) they gave did not work but the placebo (?) I gave worked!!!

CONCLUSION II

I do not have any magic powers, I do not dispense remedies, the pharmacies do that. ( of course there are many who give unlabelled remedies also and mock their patients – “do you not have faith in me- if you do not go somewhere else”). So your contention below does not hold water – I have the records to disprove the same:

“The only substance that can be all of this and still be effective in
at least some people is only placebo.And we have come to the same conclusion all by ourselves based on
our discussions...we do not AMA and British Medical Association or
whatever to prove that to the world-
In a world of evidence based medicine…. a medicine that is nothing ….
can cure everything- Paradox of practical therapeutics....”
Regards.
Sarvadaman Oberoi

H 485 FF Ansals Palam Vihar

Gurgaon 122017 Haryana INDIA

Mobile: +919818768349 Tele: +911244076374

Website: http://www.freewebs.com/homeopathy249/index.htm

email: manioberoi@gmail.com
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Rather than leaping from shore to shore--across the snapping
crocodiles!--wouldn't it be better to learn to "swim with the sharks"
(and crocodiles), and find a way of negotiating the "cognitive
dissonance" and conflicting needs/opinions/viewpoints that life will,
inevitably, continue to hand us...
)

OK Thanks for the input- We proved that the homeopathic placebo works


--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Sarvadaman Oberoi"
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25/05/2007
25/05/2007

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Robert & Shannon Nelson
wrote:
I strongly disagree with your calling Scholten a crocodile and
Sankaran a shark

I have always been lenient with practices - our theory needs to be
tight - practice can be lenient and depends on the practitioners
skillfulness- here we are messing with the theoretical basis of
homeopathy-

Once practice proves that our innovative ideas are right then the
theory needs to be updated so that the new students still have
something tight and proven for them to follow- but we have an Organon
frozen years ago

1) Why is it "messing with the theoretical basis"? Noting family
relationships (e.g. such as periodic table) dates from Hahnemann,
developed further by certain of his students (e.g. Farrington).
2) Then do you feel that the research should not be done?

How can this happen if no one uses innovative ideas?
Which is just fine if it's considered a basis rather than an end.
Shannon

It's interesting. Scholten and Sankaran both basically have explored creative ways of finding the simillimum. They're not advocating any kind of non-classical treatment. In a way, they're proposing alternative ways to classify symptoms, aiming to increase the likelihood that one will find a simillimum.
Each of us applies our own analytical skills with every case, using our own prioritizing of symptoms to create the picture. Each of us (I'm sure this isn't true only of me) sometimes uses a rubric that fits but isn't the one that contains the required remedy. Each of us knows a certain number of remedies a lot better than we know a lot of others; we might not think of these lesser known remedies under normal circumstances but one of them might be exactly what the patient needs. If that remedy were brought to our attention, we might realize its resonance with the case and give it.
The remedies that surface as a result of our various search strategies are only possibilities to consider. It's still up to the homeopath to study the remedy possibilities and suggest that the patient use the one that best fits the totality -- whatever the source and method of finding ideas (Synthesis, Kent, Knerr's, Boenninghausen, RU, our own experience or intuition, the family and element tables of Sankaran or Scholten.....). So I don't understand why S and S seem so controversial. They've provided helpful clinical hints, as have writers such as Marjorie Blackie, Dr. Borland, P. Sankaran, Farokh Master, Edward Whitmont, J. Clarke, Farrington, Kent, and dozens and dozens of others who've written from their own clinical experience and also shared the framework within which they conceptualize remedy relationships.
Rosemary

I just liked the sound of it- I guess you do not-
Consider it whatever you want to -

Because - read the title - "It can be anything "



Enough wasting time on these crocodiles- you said what you wanted to
say- I said what I wanted to - I guess the discerning group can draw
conclusions and go the way they will go anyway-

Thanks for not throwing me to the piranha - crocodiles and sharks are
enough for now...

I suppose we should not get too depressed about any of this , I am sure there are beautiful things on the lonely walk to Paris.
Our modality has wonderful potential and I think most on this list try very hard to use it well.
Does anyone know about Urtica urens being used many years after death of a father. Someone with a sudden painful attack of gout and grief issues. I seem to remember an article in Links, Jean

Dear Jean,
I also seem to remember it but I have done a search (computer) of Links up to 2000 and it is not in those!!
Rochelle

Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk