Minutus

It's Sunday evening here in India. The weather has gotten a little hotter.
My husband has a fever of over 103.5. No sweating. Not restless. No appetite. Some general pain in muscles but not great--in the legs. Woke up with it. No headache. Not thirsty. Slightly chilly. Quiet and has slept much. No other symptoms.
Gave Gels 30c in the morning. Temp went down. Gave another Gels 30c in the afternoon. I feel that the symptoms are still Gels. Should I got to 200c?
Thank you,
Cynthia Rankin

Are you giving remedies in water so that you can succuss and raise the
potency each time?

And 30 c often isn't strong enough for acutes. Potency of remedy needs to
be a little stronger than strength of disease.
I would use 200c in 4 oz of water and 1 tsp from bottle as needed, can
repeat as often as every 20-30 minutes for a few doses. Before each
repetition, succuss 10 times.

If no response, not the right remedy
Sheri

appetite. Some general pain in muscles but not great--in the legs. Woke up
with it. No headache. Not thirsty. Slightly chilly. Quiet and has slept
much. No other symptoms.
the afternoon. I feel that the symptoms are still Gels. Should I got to
200c?
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I would love others' thoughts on my thoughts... I realize that 103.5
is a substantial fever, but I would not see it as a reason for
treating, and would not being trying to bring the temperature down,
unless there is some other reason. If thirstlessness continues for
very long, it would certainly become a symptom (and I'd be urging him
to drink anyway, and searching to find any sort of drink he finds more
appealing, and less appealing--cold, warm, hot, lemon, etc.?

is it uncommon to not be sweating with the fever, or is it just an
earlier stage of things (that's what I thought)?

To be quiet and sleeping with a fever seems perfectly normal and
healthy--??
In my house, he'd just be fed some liquids, bundled up warm (to
comfort, I mean), and left to sleep until either he felt better (or I
deemed it had gone on "too long") or other symptoms (reasons and basis
for prescribing) developed. Is this wild naiveté on my part? Or,
Cynthia, there may be something that gives you a gut feeling that he
does indeed need help; that is something that counts very heavily in my
book, and maybe it just didn't come thru the print to me...
Best wishes,
Shannon

Shannon a question? do you feel that giving a remedy in fever is an attempt to bring the fever down? In my thoughts I always feel that since the remedies are aimed at providing the boost to the vital force allowing the patients own immune system to 'do the work' so to speak, that the remedy (unless suppressive) will at best make patient more comfortable with fever only going down when the immune system is at a point where it has utilised its first line of defense (ie fever etc) and is entering its 2nd line of defence - antibodies and fever is no longer required to minimise the 'invaders' replication???
I counsel my patients along these lines so they also see the benefits of a fever and are not alarmed if it stays for a while - I too often wait for a picture to be clear before using remedies however intervention (often based on past history of easy complications or long recoveries etc) can indicate early rather than late use of remedies. If the fever disappears early after use and no signs of suppression are there, and the patient is improving I can only assume that the body (in all its innate intelligence) has deemed it 'time' to let it go down?? Any other thoughts on this? Regards Pauline
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I agree with you - a remedy in potency is not like a fever-reducer.
It would take care of whatever is needed to bring down the fever but
is not suppressing it. Here the attempt is not to bring down the
fever but to support the vital force in its attempt at combating
whatever is causing this fever to come up in the first place. And
for doing that you do not have to wait and watch.

And if sleeping or lying down is not a usual thing for the person
then it becomes a symptom. Here either it is a modality or a
concomitant symptom... And in Gels it is an important concomitant -
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Pauline Ashford"
wrote:
an attempt to bring the fever down? In my thoughts I always feel
that since the remedies are aimed at providing the boost to the
vital force allowing the patients own immune system to 'do the work'
so to speak, that the remedy (unless suppressive) will at best make
patient more comfortable with fever only going down when the immune
system is at a point where it has utilised its first line of defense
(ie fever etc) and is entering its 2nd line of defence - antibodies
and fever is no longer required to minimise the 'invaders'
replication???
benefits of a fever and are not alarmed if it stays for a while - I
too often wait for a picture to be clear before using remedies
however intervention (often based on past history of easy
complications or long recoveries etc) can indicate early rather than
late use of remedies. If the fever disappears early after use and no
signs of suppression are there, and the patient is improving I can
only assume that the body (in all its innate intelligence) has
deemed it 'time' to let it go down?? Any other thoughts on this?
Regards Pauline
103.5 is a substantial fever, but I would not see it as a reason for
treating, and would not being trying to bring the temperature down,
unless there is some other reason. If thirstlessness continues for
very long, it would certainly become a symptom (and I'd be urging
him to drink anyway, and searching to find any sort of drink he
finds more appealing, and less appealing--cold, warm, hot, lemon,
etc.?
an earlier stage of things (that's what I thought)?
healthy--??
comfort, I mean), and left to sleep until either he felt better (or
I deemed it had gone on "too long") or other symptoms (reasons and
basis for prescribing) developed. Is this wild naiveté on my part?
Or, Cynthia, there may be something that gives you a gut feeling
that he does indeed need help; that is something that counts very
heavily in my book, and maybe it just didn't come thru the print to
me...
raise the
remedy needs to
needed, can
each
little hotter.
restless. No
legs. Woke up
has slept
Gels 30c in
I got to
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31/03/2007 8:54 PM

So any time you have someone sleeping off a fever, but no other
symptoms, you would give gelsemium? How would you know whether the
fever came down because of the gelsemium or simply because the fever
had done its job and the thing had run its course? I'm intrigued,
because it simply wouldn't have occurred to me to treat the situation
that had been described--what was happening, actually, sounds exactly
like what I would have looked for from a remedy--go to sleep, and get
better! That's been the commonest response we used to see when my
(then sickly) daughter used to get nasty acutes--first sign of the
remedy kicking in was, she'd heave a sigh and fall asleep, then in a
while (few hours or so?) wake up "all better".
?? Shannon

Hi Pauline,
I guess the reason I assumed that was there nothing else really looked
to me like a symptom of anything other than healing response... My
usual approach has gotten to be, if the person seems comfortable enough
and resting well--and of course not dehydrating, nor lethargic, or in
any other way alarming--I just let them sleep it off. If they are
*un*comfortable, then there is both prescribing picture (well,
hopefully) and reason to treat. For one of my kids, that's usually all
that's needed; for the other, "comfortable" and "resting well" pretty
much don't happen outside of getting her a good remedy. Cynthia's
description of her hubby's state *sounded* just like what, with my
younger one, simply means "let him sleep"--so I was curious.
I would treat for comfort, but wasn't seeing *dis*comfort in the
description--maybe I was just reading my own assumptions into it.
My question was less from concern about "suppressing" the fever (tho I
have read the admonition not to try to use remedies to bring down a
fever, so I guess that writer felt it was possible?), but more just
wondering what the reason, or the prescribing symptoms, would have
been. Maybe I am overly blase about fevers...? It just sounded like
his body had the situation well under control--at least for that time.
Yes, that makes sense. And in that case the remedy chosen would be
based more on the constitutional background, wouldn't it?
That makes sense too.
I guess I find it hard to talk about in the abstract...
Best wishes,
Shannon

8:55 pm second dry dose of Gel 30c (only hard water available)
9:00 pm vomited juice, water, and bile
9:30 pm temp 103.2
11:00 pm temp 103 drinking sips of water
3:30 am temp 102.2
7:30 am tem0 101.2 weird dreams during the night
8:00 am tender coconut juice given..drank a few glasses (electrolites) sleeping, couldn't concentrate to read
No asprins given. No ice packs. Just prayed.
Recently, he stated swinning at a swimming pool at a local universtiy. Remember, this is India. I bet there were little parasites swimming with him.
The fever was really about 103.75--it was getting scary. I know if the fever gets too high, there can be organ damage. It was vital to get him to drink sips as much as I could.
I think if I had to do it over again, I would consider giving the Gels 200c in medicinal solution. I need to get some sterile water.
What other symptoms would he need for a more complete Gels besides more of the chills down the back? (Which he didn't have.)
Thanks, everyone.
Stephen & Cynthia Rankin
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When it is remarkable for someone close to say it is a symptom
generally it is
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Robert & Shannon Nelson
wrote:

Okay, that's reasonable. I was certainly making assumptions about
context, and from subsequent events obviously my assumptions were
wrong!
( Shannon