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Cat with aggressive breast cancer LONG

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:47 pm
by muthu kumar
Irene-
Thanks for enlightening me on what a sarcode is and what a hormone is-
that is one sad portion that has been missing from my education.

When you are saying that Sarcodes are healthy tissue - are they pure
tissue? For example Brain or Pituitary or THyroid sarcode are they
JUST the tissue and they do not have any hormones and precursors of
hormones and traces of chemical substances in them? Are of these have
been removed from them somehow?

If there are no such substances in them, then what would be the
difference between any animal tissue - what would be the difference
between Pituitary and Hypothalamus for example? They are just glands -
right? You might have heard and probably used Pulmo Vulpis for
example- I have used it for Asthma . Wolf Lung- Do you think the
action of all lungs will be the same from different animals? If so
why, if not why? Since they do not have any physiological action why
would they be different when they are just lungs?

Let us assume that sarcodes do not have physiological action as you
said- then how do you know their indications?

In other drugs for example Lycopodium, Silica etc.which not have
physiological actions - all their therapeutic power is known only thru
provings. So shouldn't the indications of these sarcodes with "no
physiological actions" be known only thru provings?

So is not the only indication you have for using them based on Law of
signatures?

Hormones are different - their 'physiological" actions are known and
so by extension and analogy some of their pathological indications can
be worked out. Even with these, precise usage needs homeopathic
provings to bring out sensations, modalities and subtle shades of the
symptoms.

Whereas sarcodes (if they lack physiological action as you claim and
which I do not believe so) are prescribed like "a blood vessel
sarcode is to help build better blood vessel tissue"-

On similar argument can Blood 2x be given to improve "blood"? Would
that be a better way to treat anemia? Mind you I am not saying that
this would not work, it might. But it would work because inherently
there is physiological affinity there - and some substances in trace
quantities that would have tissular affinity.Without that how would it
act just on blood? and not on anything else?
But does it not look like allopathy? Is it a homeopathic blood
transfusion here?

If there is a sarcode made out of Tail ( Tail 1x) would that be given
for coccyx problems???Have you ever used to grow tails? Would a Lizard
Tail 1x work for growing Dog tails?
Hair 2x for growing Hair? ( Must be a big market for this out there)?

And all those junk mail I am getting ( and my wife is also getting)for
"male enhancement"- is absolutely not necessary - Now we know what to
use- Get a stallion and chop it off and make 1x ;-)

(Is this not happening in India, China and other places where they
kill tigers and rhinos for male virility?)

In its purest sense homeopathy does not have tonics. Low potency
sarcodes smack of that.The correct simillimum / constitutional remedy
is the tonic. That is why simillimum gives a "general sense of well
being" . Having said that I have used mother tinctures of medicines in
homeopathy - but I know that they have physiological action and what
they would do in mother tinctures and potencies.

Also the classifications such as sarcode, nosode, isode, kingdoms etc.
are mainly for "producing" the remedies. If all are proven correctly
and thoroughly there should not be any difference in prescribing -
because then we will be going by pathogenetic symptoms - not by where
anything came from. Even now that is how I practice mostly- I scarcely
care where something came from - but on strict indications. I do use
nosodes, hormones etc. but even there try to see a group of symptoms
to point there.

The difference between hormones and nosodes on the one hand and
sarcodes on the other is - hormones and nosodes have processes -
hormones set up reactions all over the place and create changes and
there are records of that from allopathy as well - effects and side
effects; nosodes are from diseases and so we know the systems that are
affected, bodily physiological processes that are affected.

Sarcodes on the other hand are structures. There are no processes, We
do not know what will happen when we give them. There is no allopathic
record even to fall back, even for pathological prescription.

Considering that you were so keen on using only repertories to arrive
at the medicine in FIP ( where I thought you should have a group of
medicines and not just one - since we can only try to arrive at a
group remedy in such cases and then pick out one based on individual
presentation), using sarcodes based on Law of signatures( may be there
is another rationale for this but I could not find it) comes as a
surprise.
Namaste-
I think there needs to be more sarcode discussion.

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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer LONG

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:47 pm
by robin9168
Some good posts on here about all this however it seems a shame that
after more than 200 years we are still stuck with little more than
theories and opposing camps with differing beliefs. If Pred 30 truly
helped with the effects of Prednisolone in a way that homeopaths would
recognise as healthy I would use it, whether it fits Joys definiton of
good homeopathy or not. Why dismiss it because it doesnt look like
Hahnemannian homeopathy if the end result is the same? We dont
actually even know if Pred 30 does harm, good or nothing at all for
Prednisolone damaged pateints - thats the rather pathetic thing about
all this to me.
Similarly if one potency regulates and another stimulates etc we need
to be aware of that. However its all just opinion and beliefs and I
would love to see the day when we can go beyond that in relation to
many aspects of what we do, including this.

And I have yet, in 23 years of practice, to see definite benefit from
using a sarcode, in my or anyone elses clinic.

Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer LONG

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:29 pm
by muthu kumar
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "robin9168" wrote:
What you say is true in all its points except the potency part.
Potency in homeopathy is not just a static figure decided just on the
drug side. That is any medicine in 6c is not the same for all people.
And whatever effect we get in one potency we should be able to get in
another too if other parameters are controlled.
That is another opinion and belief- there is no harm in that- still a
lot of indications are based on clinical observation and experience
and by the nature of things that is how it will remain,

Homeopathic provings never go up to making pathology but we have to
treat pathology. So analogy, observation and experience is all we have
to guide us.

Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer LONG

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:38 pm
by Joy Lucas
"never"?? Are you sure, maybe you need to re-define pathology ;-)

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "hahnemannian2002"
wrote:
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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer LONG

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:33 pm
by muthu kumar
Probably I should not have said "never"- my mistake-

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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer LONG

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:16 pm
by Shannon Nelson
On Mar 30, 2007, at 9:46 AM, robin9168 wrote:
One of the IFH Conference books (can't remember the year) had a
presentation of some very nice cases of Pituitary-ant, where the remedy
(sarcode) brought nice, deep, "constitutional" response. But it was
prescribed on basis of a full-ish prescribing picture, not "because her
pituitary gland is underactive"...

Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer LONG

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:11 am
by Irene de Villiers
Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:
Hi,
This is interesting - when you say "full-ish" prescribing - I'm not
aware sarcodes have been proved - or have they? Or what does the
"full-ish" refer to please?
Or where can I see provings etc?

I would like to know more about sarcodes (and anything else that may
help my clients' animals.)
Thanks!
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer LONG

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:57 pm
by robin9168
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Robert & Shannon Nelson
wrote:

*****I like that remedy and have used it a lot but not routinely in
true sarcode fashion. It has a picture. (Think of it when ear ring
holes dont heal btw)*****
Robin