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Well, for another bit of diversion...
I'm having my own "interesting" experience of broken bones ("just say
no!"), but before (maybe) going into any of that, I'm curious whether
anyone has thoughts about this experience my brother had a couple of
years back.

In a nutshell, he took a nasty fall, snapped his leg about mid-calf,
both bones plus at least one "chip". At the ER, he was being readied
for surgery (the famous "pin and a plate" apparently) when it was
discovered that he was uninsured. So (this being apparently a
"private, for-profit place) they un-readied him, and tried to figure
out where they should ship him to instead. (Or maybe he was supposed
to figure that out himself; I didn't get that.) So he spent some
longish time flopped in (I gather) a hallway, until one of the docs
said: "Hm, I don't know where my attending is; I don't think anyone's
going to bust me--come on." Hauled him into a back room, plopped him
on a gurney, said "Hang on!" as he yanked the leg (ow!!!!!) to set it,
popped on a cast, and shuffled my brother on out the door.
and down when I walked"--since it was attached only by skin and muscle
and etc., and apparently not braced. But he was certainly not walking
around much anyway, and somewhere in the next few days that sensation
stopped; he took cast off in some (he thinks) six weeks or so, and so
far as he can tell, it's been just fine.

My own experience is being rather different... Since I *am* insured, I
got the whole (phenomenally expensive and IMO gruesome) pin-and-a-plate
trip, which I have to say has been fairly horrible (four weeks on; I am
still in the "no weight at all!!!!!" stage, and for now never mind the
rest of the "adventures"). Now I am not inclined to do too much
"coulda-shoulda" about it, but I am curious now! My break was right at
and above the ankle, so *might* have been a different situation anyway,
but I am wondering! Does anyone have thoughts about whether "pin and
plate" represents a "medical advance" or just "over-treatment" for the
situation, or ??? (Don't worry, I am not going to be taking them out
anyway! ) Does anyone here have experience with this sort of
break?

Thanks for any thoughts,
Shannon

good stories, even though painful

but what kind of break was it, what bones were involved and are you
asking about homeopathic treatment experience?

when I broke my ankle not so long ago I only took Bryonia!! Treated
quite a few breaks over the years. Joy

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Apparently snapped clean across the two leg bones, just an inch or
two(?) above the ankle, plus part of inner ankle bone displaced. No
break in skin.
Sure!

I'd love to hear specific experiences!
To this point I've been too... er, preoccupied? out-of-it? exhausted?
etc.... to even ask help from anyone--and yes I know that's
counter-productive! It's been more difficult because there have been
multiple insults--besides the break, various aspects of the surgery,
followed by too-tight cast leading to pressure sores, then dealing with
stapled sutures that removed (temporarily gathered into two
quarter-inch raised "seams") a good inch of skin from the poor, swollen
ankle, making every moment of leg hanging down (e.g. trip to bathroom,
which was the only reason I even sat up!) a white-knuckle,
sweating-with-pain experience, until the seams finally pulled flat...
(The surgeon explained why staples are thought to be "better", and I
didn't have it in me to ask about the
removing-an-inch-of-skin-from-the-ankle thing; didn't want to blow my
image by getting hysterical at the nice man...) And etc....
Anyway, multiple insults, not just the break. (Which I guess is part
of why I'm so envious of my brother's story!)

I didn't get to bryonia--but no doubt should have in the first days. I
don't *think* it's been called for since then, tho??? Maybe I should
read on it, tho; I really only think about it for extreme aversion to
movement of the part, which I didn't have past the first few days.

Is there more that would specifically call for it?
Actually I'm stuck right now... Most recently I had phenomenal help
from ruta (that was "interesting"--I now know ruta much better than I
did!), but now the picture is very similar and ruta is no longer
helping (extreme restlessness, esp. at night, and a few other
specifics). Also I'm eying calendula again, and possibly higher
potency of ruta (tho I would not have expected it to stop working so
soon, if it were really what I'm needing)...

If I can pull some more thoughts together later, I may put out some
specific analysis questions...
Thanks,
Shannon

a woman in my community broke her leg a few years ago, probably the ankel.
she, in consult with her md, made the decision to not have pins/plates
done. she
had decided that it was too invasive and thought it better to go with the
slower healing that was described to her. i thought that was unusual for
their
to be such a dialogue given the more common experience of surgery.
she is fine today.

my son, oth, broke his leg above the ankle a number of years ago and they
did the pin/plate routine despite his having no insurance. then they hounded
him for years to pay the bill despite the fact that he had no money and lost
his job behind the accident.

i do think they love their surgery despite the fact that, just like
caecerians,
most are unnecessary.

i did have a broken bone case years ago--a pinky finger. i gave symph 30c.
within hours he felt like his whole body was broken. when i explored this
with him, it turned out that he had a series of broken bones in his life
and that
everyone of them, which had been handled allopathically, acted up. i felt
that his body was resetting all those bones. it was too bad that he didn't
call
me till a week later when the pain had settled down--i could have changed
his potency to a lower one. btw, the new break healed very quickly. i
lost
track of him but years later (last year actually), i received a call from
him from
the other side of the country where he had relocated. he called i think to
tell me that he was using homeopathy with his LD son which i had recommended
when he worked for me. i think that was his thank you. you never know when
appreciation will be received in life--it only took him 10 yrs!

tanya
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Thanks, Tanya! (And nice to get the appreciation even ten years later,
huh? )
Below:
Do you recall any more about what was described, and what happened?
Oh nice! So I am eager to know how his recovery went--does he have
full mobility now? (Ive heard varying things about that!)

Shannon

Re Bryonia: Speaking on Whole Health Now broadcast (I believe it was,) Dr. Luc de Schepper recounted that when he was on his Homeopathy Without Borders trip after the tsunami, he freshly succussed Bryonia 1M and gave a dose to an elderly woman whose broken arm was going to have to be set (by another doctor) without other pain relief. It apparently worked pretty well. I remember him saying that she came and kissed his hands or some such later on. Her arm had been broken for a long time--days, maybe, and she had walked very far to get to him.
Sorry I don’t have the story exactly straight; maybe someone else knows the precise details. It just impressed me as an idea that might sometime be useful in an emergency situation. Only time I ever heard of homeopathy being used as a sort of anesthetic—except for my own experience with a single dose of Arnica 200c pre-procedure keeping away the discomfort I usually experience when I had my (elderly) teeth cleaned last time. Teresa (Northern VA, USA)
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joy Lucas
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:09 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] Re: Broken bones...
good stories, even though painful

As I understand it, you don’t give Symphytum until the break has been set correctly. Of course in the case of the pinky finger that would not apply, I guess, as it would not be “set” anyway? But your choice of words (bold and enlarged) interested me. More to that? Teresa (Northern VA USA)
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Marquette
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:32 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Broken bones...
i did have a broken bone case years ago--a pinky finger. i gave symph 30c.
within hours he felt like his whole body was broken. when i explored this
with him, it turned out that he had a series of broken bones in his life
and that
everyone of them, which had been handled allopathically, acted up. i felt
that his body was resetting all those bones.

I noticed the same...
My thoughts--if they were handled allopathically, presumably they
*were* set properly, and so perhaps it was the *healing*, or some other
or energetic factor, that was completed by the remedy. Probably not
setting per se?
Shannon

i think it is commonly accepted that bone setting is never exact,
but general. so in my case, this guys old bone sets were disrupted
by the vital force attempting to correct what was not quite right.

i also used symph 30c to heal a broken pelvis in a cat. i have written
about this case before since it was so dramatic. within 5-6 days
the cat was moving around and wanting to go outside. i let him
out at day 8 and watched him run across the lawn, at least slowly.
this despite the vet's progrnosis of several months before easy
movement.

tanya
choice

You do tell a good story Shannon and sorry to chuckle at your experience but it conjures up strong images but sympathy as well.

I tend to think the pin and plate routine to be such an invasion these days and possibly not half as necessary as thought but maybe it depends on the bones involved and type of break as well.

I have had a number of clients that come to homeopathy due to poor resolve using pins - a new case, wrist broken, elderly woman, now virtually lost use of wrist, pins caused horrible pains (still pondering on her rx) - the bone might not be altered now but sx are plentiful and it is looking like Causticum

It is also tempting to prescribe specific rx for broken bones but it is vital that one doesn't ignore the pain, sensations, extentions, modalities, how it makes the person feel etc, i.e. the usual type of case taking questions and that is why I took Bryonia because it was a Bryonia type sx match - the ankle was only strapped until a further investigation could take place after initial x-rays (I think this is common practice now??, at least I know of it happening quite a lot). So never forgetting it is a break you are dealing with it is all the other sx that count as well.

Another recent case (foot bones break) the sensations etc all pointed to Hypericum which cured with rapid healing of bone as well.

Looking briefly through client card notes I have prescribed Arnica, Symphytum, Bryonia a number of times, Hecla, Calendula, Strontium and Calc phos. My method remaisn the same and that is always to take the full case and not just be tempted to prescribe routinely for a broken bone.

So in your case the usual question of what needs to be cured is the first question - exhaustion, post surgery, pressure sores, swellings, 'can't complain to nice man versus extreme pain syndrome' (a definite mineral?), many sx <<< movement but extreme restlessness << night (this has to be qualified against someone not moving around much throughout the day and come evening this could be driving some folks up the wall, or it could just be an inability to move due to pain

Ruta does have a mixture of lassitude and restlessness so maybe tweak the potency a bit and Rhus tox might even follow well if indicated - so a few more pointers would be good if you care to share - get well soon. Joy

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