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I have a 2 year old male rescued cat that was recently diagnosed as FIP
through the use of a titer. I am not sure if this is an accurate
diagnosis but I have to go on the assumption that it is - so I am
asking for any help you can offer me. Fred is 2 years old and a
neutered male. He has yellow sticky thick fluid in the belly, nad
slowed eating. He is anemic and FeLV+. I have given him B6 to help
with the anemia but I am at a loss for what to do with the fluid
buildup. My conventional vet has suggested euthanizing him. I cannot
do that - he is still alive and happy. Can anyone offer me any advise
to help Fred? I have gotten some wonderful advise so far - but I am in
need of more - especially on how to rid the belly of fluid and how I
can get a better test done. Vets write this off as untreatable. I
have had one instance a year or so ago with this dreaded disease.
Thanks

Mariann

Hi Mariann!

Ask Irene from this list, she has a lot of experience with FIP.

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.

Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire .com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
bests
Peter
gypsylady502 schrieb:

Contact the www.classicalhomeopathypets.com group.

Julie
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gypsylady502
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:12 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] FIP Kitty
I have a 2 year old male rescued cat that was recently diagnosed as FIP
through the use of a titer. I am not sure if this is an accurate
diagnosis but I have to go on the assumption that it is - so I am
asking for any help you can offer me. Fred is 2 years old and a
neutered male. He has yellow sticky thick fluid in the belly, nad
slowed eating. He is anemic and FeLV+. I have given him B6 to help
with the anemia but I am at a loss for what to do with the fluid
buildup. My conventional vet has suggested euthanizing him. I cannot
do that - he is still alive and happy. Can anyone offer me any advise
to help Fred? I have gotten some wonderful advise so far - but I am in
need of more - especially on how to rid the belly of fluid and how I
can get a better test done. Vets write this off as untreatable. I
have had one instance a year or so ago with this dreaded disease.
Thanks

Mariann

How do you know about the yellow discharge, is it being vomited or excreted through the intestines. Can you say more about this, does it have an odour, how often is it being excreted, how does the cat behave when this is happening + what is the appetite and thirst like + if he is anaemic how is this shown. Tell us as much as you can that you have observed about the cat and this condition.

Apis and sulphur come to mind but a bit more information is important.

There are a number of good hom vets on this list so they might need an extra shout to wake them up

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/provings

you need a good homeopathic vet.

i suggested posting irene de villers at

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

she is in spokane, wash.

tanya
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gypsylady502 wrote:

Hi,
I specialize in FIP cases, and accept two per week. It needs fast and
careful repertorizing and supplement management and dosing guidance and
appropriate nutrition and careful nursing - very intensive all roubnd
and still it is touch and go.....
So there is of course no guarantee of success. I get about half the
cases or a few more, back to full health on average. The disease moves
VERY fast and you almost have to pre-empt the damage in remedy selection
to catch up with it and get past it. (I use blood test trends when
available.)
The most important aspect up front is NOT to allow the use of any
prednisone or other steroid as that destroys thymus and is about as good
as a death sentence in FIP cats. Also, antibiotics make the disease go
faster. And thirdly, any toxin is to be avoided. FIP loves to get the
upper hand while the cat fights toxins in food etc.

Some details on my web page:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/fip.html has FIp knowledge of
2001, I have not found time to update that, but it's correct as far as
it goes. And there is a sample case here from 2003:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/fipcase.html

Separately I can send an article on causes and how to prevent FIP if you
are interested, but of course in this case it is too late - it is not
common knowledge however; I'd like it to be.
Forget the tests. If the belly fluid is yellow and sticky and the blood
globulin is high, then FIP is the issue and I'll lay odds I can look at
the history and say what triggered it.
Feel free to write to me off list if you wish. This is an area I work
hard in, and not an easy one. Vets have yet to get any success with it,
and homeopathy at least has some chance.

NAmaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Dear Mariann,

Get in touch with a good homeopath. Treatment is possible. Some extracts (indicative only).
Regards.
Sarvadaman Oberoi

H 485 FF Ansals Palam Vihar

Gurgaon 122017 Haryana INDIA

Mobile: +919818768349 Tele: +911244076374

Website: http://www.freewebs.com/homeopathy249/

email: manioberoi@gmail.com
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gypsylady502
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:42 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] FIP Kitty
I have a 2 year old male rescued cat that was recently diagnosed as FIP
EXTRACTS
ALLEN J. H., The chronic miasms : Sycosis, Psora and Pseudo-psora (alj1)
Apocynum cannabinum

Dysmenorrhoea with general dropsy; flows begins with drowsiness and headache; great irritability of the stomach with vomiting; flow expelled with large clots with bloating of the abdomen and general anasarca; general or local dropsy with profuse urination; oedema of the feet.
ALLEN T. F., Encyclopedia of Pure Materia Medica (a1)
Anantherum muricatum

Abdomen
- Inflammation and swelling of the liver, as if caused by abscesses, with oedematous swelling of the belly, and even of the whole body; prostration; inability to move without groaning; stool hard, difficult, blackish, brownish, or grayish; skin deep-yellow.

- Vomiting of bile as if it came directly from the liver.
Tarentula hispanica

Generalities

- Debility, syncope, with effusion or oedema of the legs and abdominal walls, [a13].
GUPTA R. L., Directory of Diseases and Cures in Homoeopathy (gtr1)
Dropsy (oedema) from liver affection

Case no. 558

27.6.1986 A man of 65 had dropsical swelling on lower legs, ankles and feet for the last 5 days. Such oedema or swelling was increasing day by day, had no kidney trouble, but he had poor functioning of the liver with gastric derangements, i.e. , nausea, bitter taste, loss of appetite, tongue coated white, great thirst constipation and distension of abdomen liver region was tense swollen and sore with scanty urine- of yellow colour. Bryonia-30, Lycopodium-30 in alternation after every 2-4 hours and patient was cured of the dropsical swelling before 5-7-1986.
HERING C., Guiding Symptoms of our Materia Medica (hr1)
Helleborus niger

Scrobiculum and stomach

- Intense burning in oesophagus.

- ¤ Intense painful burning in stomach extending into oesophagus. ð During pregnancy.

- ¤ Pit of stomach sunken. ð Hydrocephalus.

- || Fulness and distension of pit of stomach.

- ¤ Pressing in region of stomach. ð Anasarca.

- Burning and scraping in stomach.

- || Stomach painful when coughing or walking.
Urinary organs

¤ Yellowness of whole body, nausea with aversion to food, dry tongue, great thirst, abdomen painful and distended on account of enormous swelling of bladder, discharge of urine gradually became less, and for last three days ceased entirely; after great pressure he passes, with much pain, a few drops of blood; lower limbs swollen and oedematous, swelling finally extending to abdomen; whole body cold to touch, and in many places covered with clammy sweat; pulse small and quick; great restlessness; introduction of catheter difficult on account of great pain and sensitiveness of parts. ð Cystitis.
Tissues

- ¤ Red parts become white; anaemia.

- ¤ Great emaciation.

- ¤ Loss of flesh; aphthae.

do i have permission to cross post this to an animal list?
tanya
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:56:51 -0500, Negri, Julie A. *HS
wrote:
Got a better URL? This one isn't working.

Joy Lucas wrote:

Nice thoughts but Joy it is neither.
FIP is a nasty disease of the kind where a virus induces the cat's
immune system to attack and destroy the cat, instead of making
antibodies against the virus.
The yellow sticky high-protein fluid that collects in the peritoneum
and/or thoracic cavity in the effusive form of FIP (there are 2 other
forms) is from leaking blood vessels minus the relatively large blood
cells.
Again this is weird in cats. Cats go into ketosis at the drop of a hat
due to their unique high protein metabolism - and so they will have lack
of appetite where a human would be ravenous. So this is one of the few
examples where it is better to repertorize the way a human would respond
and use rubrics like "ravenous appetite with emaciation" (bearing in
mind the repertory is human-based) when in fact the real position is
that cat is ketotic and without any appetite quite soon into the illness
(though ravenous initially).

The damage is also mainly internal, with organs being systematically
destroyed, and so blood tests are more useful than visible symptoms
which are usually lethargy and emaciation - and progress to severe
weakness and starvation with breakdown of organs so digestion and
processing is not possible.
They do not help due to the source of the effusion fluid being blood
plasma - it's not a match - so it is essentially a starvation disease
along with an organ destroying one...... that's the basics.
From there each case is different.

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."