Minutus

Hi,
Does this happen? I am seeing it for the second time. A new remedy brings out character traits that look somewhat like the px, but they have been well compensated in the adult. In both cases, there was a lot of allopathic suppression in childhood. The suppressed physical symptoms come back and are accompanied with mental symptoms that look to me like the behavior and thoughts of an adolescent.
In one case, adolecence had been horrible for the px because of parent sexual problems, abuse and then her own sexual excess. Her current problems seem to revolve around a sexual relationship.
For the other patient, the wife agrees that the patient was not aware of this adolescent behavior before he took the remedy. Then, with the remedy he has become more aware and distrubed by his own behavior. This patient has a lack of emotional depth and an excess of intellectual development (sulphur). I intuitively feel that if he can live through this uncomfortable revival of adolescence, he can gain the emotional depth that he himself feels is lacking. I am not sure though.
Appreciate any experience with this.
The first patient quit her remedy because reliving adolescence was too painful. I should have been more sensitive and somehow reduced the impact of the 1 LM thuja. With the second patient, he may stick out the 200c Phos, but I want to somehow give him more support.
Thank-you,
Ellen

Hi, Ellen.
Yes, I've definitely seen this happen several times. The patient usually, as in these cases, has a lot of suppression or -- very often -- some childhood trauma or abuse that has been covered up so that s/he would be accepted by parents or other primary family members. Usually, the child had felt s/he would not survive without this adaptation. Generally, in these cases, they remember nothing of the trauma or of their adaptation. When the remedies have uncovered the basic trauma, the patient has to be courageous, really desiring to heal, to sustain the passage to awareness of submerged traumas and responses.
I have had a couple of patients quit because they just didn't want to go through it, but I find that when I warn them of what might happen, and tell them that we'll modulate the dosing so that they'll be more aware of the underlying healing than of the returning emotional suffering, they generally stick it out and move through it. Often they require frequent contacts during this period, and encouragement -- cheerleading, basically. It's scary for them, and they worry about revisiting traumas they couldn't deal with the first time around. I explain that then they were powerless children and had no choices. Now they're adults, and have the power of choice as well as the power to stand up in their own selves to those people who had hurt them often 40, 50, 60 or more years in the past. The patient who healed with Nuphar went through this sort of thing. I have a current patient healing well with Bar-c, after a sequence of indicated remedies finally made that remedy appear starkly clear, after childhood sexual abuse with subsequent alcoholism and then suicidal depression when off alcohol. Again, lots of support was needed through this transition, but the patient hung in there, and the positive effects of Bar-c have been amazing. Another patient, with 52 multiple personalities after unremembered childhood emotional abuse, has just about completed an amazing healing passage with Anhalonium (again, after a series of indicated remedies helped clear off various other issues and finally brought up the childhood trauma to conscious memory and processing, and made clear that the indicated underlying remedy was Anh. In my experience, often -- not always-- these tremendously suppressed, complicated cases can take 2-5 years to reach the underlying layer, requiring a lot of education for the patient about how homeopathy works and what to expect, and also what progress we're making, even if it's by "baby steps." .
If the emotional trauma is too strong, sometimes an indicated intercurrent helps, and sometimes I have them back off on the strength of the dose -- lower potency, more diluted, more dilution glasses, even at times olfaction of the diluted remedy very briefly at arm's length. The Nuphar patient never even opened a bottle. He kept the remedy hidden in the back of a storage room, and he'd react to it if he went in there for a couple of seconds, about once every other month, when he felt it was time for an additional dose. He would tell me within a second of receiving a new remedy if it was going to be "friendly" for him or not. If not, I went back to the drawing board and reanalyzed.
If the remedy's clear, you can help them find a frequency and method of administration that works for them.
Hope that is helpful. Rosemary

Hi,
i recall giving ignatia 30c to a woman in her 60's for grief. the first dose worked great, so without telling me, she took several more doses and went into
a grief state that took her back to her teens. but in her case, she is an obstinate person with a strong background in psychology/therapy. she worked with
a support person to process the old grief and came through with a renewed sense of what her life needed to be in the present. i, too, wished she had called
me instead of overdoing the rx. but rx will trigger old repressed feelings. what i was taught is that rx should let the old stuff dissolve quietly and dissipate--that is
the ideal. but we don't always get the ideal and sometimes the old conditions come through and have to be confronted. with committment from the pt, we get
the opportunity to be there to help.
tanya

Hi Ellen,
Haven't had this personally but know that by given very low potencies in
water can ease through this, or if aggravations, they only last a few days.
Dr. Luc de Schepper has outlined how to do this in his book, based on
Hahnemann's work - Achieving and Maintaining the Simillimum
pracititioner working with chronic cases
Go as low as 6C if have to and 1 piillule in 8 oz bottle of water and then
take 1 tsp from that a dilute in 4 oz cup and give 1 tsp from that
OR can even use drops if need be, or go to 2nd or 3rd dilution cups.

For the person with 200C, go way low and start slowly, diluted as above.

Sheri

brings out character traits that look somewhat like the px, but they have
been well compensated in the adult. In both cases, there was a lot of
allopathic suppression in childhood. The suppressed physical symptoms come
back and are accompanied with mental symptoms that look to me like the
behavior and thoughts of an adolescent.
sexual problems, abuse and then her own sexual excess. Her current
problems seem to revolve around a sexual relationship.
this adolescent behavior before he took the remedy. Then, with the remedy
he has become more aware and distrubed by his own behavior. This patient
has a lack of emotional depth and an excess of intellectual development
(sulphur). I intuitively feel that if he can live through this
uncomfortable revival of adolescence, he can gain the emotional depth that
he himself feels is lacking. I am not sure though.
painful. I should have been more sensitive and somehow reduced the impact
of the 1 LM thuja. With the second patient, he may stick out the 200c
Phos, but I want to somehow give him more support.
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As a homeopathic patient who has gone through a revisitation of
buried childhood trauma that occurred decades ago, I would like to
echo the patient's need for the homeopath to be consistently
available, encouraging, and essentially, a cheerleader. It is a
terrifying experience, requiring tremendous courage, stamina, and
faith, but certainly well worth it in the end. I am not sure I would
have made it through to the other side without the comfort and
compassion of my homeopath, he was, and is, phenomenal. It is because
of my trust in him that his support was so powerful. It is truly the
patient-doctor relationship and the homeopath's psychological support
that is essential in such cases.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Rosemary C Hyde PhD"
wrote:
usually, as in these cases, has a lot of suppression or -- very
often -- some childhood trauma or abuse that has been covered up so
that s/he would be accepted by parents or other primary family
members. Usually, the child had felt s/he would not survive without
this adaptation. Generally, in these cases, they remember nothing of
the trauma or of their adaptation. When the remedies have uncovered
the basic trauma, the patient has to be courageous, really desiring
to heal, to sustain the passage to awareness of submerged traumas and
responses.
to go through it, but I find that when I warn them of what might
happen, and tell them that we'll modulate the dosing so that they'll
be more aware of the underlying healing than of the returning
emotional suffering, they generally stick it out and move through
it. Often they require frequent contacts during this period, and
encouragement -- cheerleading, basically. It's scary for them, and
they worry about revisiting traumas they couldn't deal with the first
time around. I explain that then they were powerless children and
had no choices. Now they're adults, and have the power of choice as
well as the power to stand up in their own selves to those people who
had hurt them often 40, 50, 60 or more years in the past. The
patient who healed with Nuphar went through this sort of thing. I
have a current patient healing well with Bar-c, after a sequence of
indicated remedies finally made that remedy appear starkly clear,
after childhood sexual abuse with subsequent alcoholism and then
suicidal depression when off alcohol. Again, lots of support was
needed through this transition, but the patient hung in there, and
the positive effects of Bar-c have been amazing. Another patient,
with 52 multiple personalities after unremembered childhood emotional
abuse, has just about completed an amazing healing passage with
Anhalonium (again, after a series of indicated remedies helped clear
off various other issues and finally brought up the childhood trauma
to conscious memory and processing, and made clear that the indicated
underlying remedy was Anh. In my experience, often -- not always--
these tremendously suppressed, complicated cases can take 2-5 years
to reach the underlying layer, requiring a lot of education for the
patient about how homeopathy works and what to expect, and also what
progress we're making, even if it's by "baby steps." .
intercurrent helps, and sometimes I have them back off on the
strength of the dose -- lower potency, more diluted, more dilution
glasses, even at times olfaction of the diluted remedy very briefly
at arm's length. The Nuphar patient never even opened a bottle. He
kept the remedy hidden in the back of a storage room, and he'd react
to it if he went in there for a couple of seconds, about once every
other month, when he felt it was time for an additional dose. He
would tell me within a second of receiving a new remedy if it was
going to be "friendly" for him or not. If not, I went back to the
drawing board and reanalyzed.
method of administration that works for them.
remedy brings out character traits that look somewhat like the px,
but they have been well compensated in the adult. In both cases,
there was a lot of allopathic suppression in childhood. The
suppressed physical symptoms come back and are accompanied with
mental symptoms that look to me like the behavior and thoughts of an
adolescent.
parent sexual problems, abuse and then her own sexual excess. Her
current problems seem to revolve around a sexual relationship.
aware of this adolescent behavior before he took the remedy. Then,
with the remedy he has become more aware and distrubed by his own
behavior. This patient has a lack of emotional depth and an excess
of intellectual development (sulphur). I intuitively feel that if he
can live through this uncomfortable revival of adolescence, he can
gain the emotional depth that he himself feels is lacking. I am not
sure though.
was too painful. I should have been more sensitive and somehow
reduced the impact of the 1 LM thuja. With the second patient, he
may stick out the 200c Phos, but I want to somehow give him more
support.

Dear Rosemary,
That is very clear. When you are seeing these deep psychological things, because it is so amazing, for me sometimes it is hard to open my eyes and realize what I am seeing. Your confirming story helps. Part of the problem is I am not sure what the missed adolescence is. I don't want to be making up things.
Thank-you for your sharing.
Blessings,
Ellen

Hi, Ellen.
One of my patients, a young woman around 30, once told me something I'll always remember about revisiting adolescence under the influence of a remedy: "It was like being a teenager all over again, except this time I got to make different choices and make it come out right." )) Rosemary

My one experience of "revising adolescence" was effects of a trauma
revisited, and needed a trauma remedy to make it go away. It was a
very unpleasant yet very "interesting in retrospect" experience--to
feel the sudden change in "state" (during a nice run on "my remedy",
lots of good had been happening, then woke one morning feeling black,
hopeless and desperate; knew very clearly--in my mind, that is--that it
must be a "remedy thing" because nothing had changed in my life,
nothing had gone wrong. I suddenly realized, "The only time I've felt
this awful before was..."). After a mistaken rx the right one was got
to, and the whole, horrible, black cloud evaporated literally the
moment the rx touched my tongue--whew... A very weird experience! And
I do find it bizarre the way that "the world" can change with these
inner states, and with remedies... !!!!
Shannon