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Good Use of Research and your noodles

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:58 am
by muthu kumar
The way scientists and medical research are being lambasted by
homeopaths ( of all people) is laughable. We practice a system of
medicine - nobody knows how it works, nobody knows what really happens
when a medicine is given, nobody knows what happens in high ( and even
low) dilutions, nobody knows why something works when it does and why
another one does not work when it does not, nobody even knows where
homeopathy ends and meaninglessness starts and we need to gather
together and mock other systems and find fault with them? Come on - is
that the "sour grapes" talking?

even if we were to prove that Homeopathy works on a human body we need
to employ "scientists" to do that- with "our" vested interests- who
would work for the "homoepathic conglomerates"...

We have umpteen things to clarify within ourselves even before we can
point at others...First decide upon what we call as a Chronic miasm -
you do not even have to prove it "scientifically" - since you do not
believe in scientists- first try to explain that and get consensus
among homeopathic group without each one saying what it is in his /
her own way... also Is LM good? Are C potencies good? Dry or Watery?
6th edition or 4th edition? Tubercular miasm or pseudo psora? Psora is
-all infection or some infection or no infection or toxins or lack of
nutrition or "the original sin" or "fall from heaven" or "fallen from
the oven"? Heck - we even accept 'prescribing using the periodic
table" and using Irene's analogy - if accepting AIDS and its virus
etiology needs a pinch of salt, we would require bucket loads of salt
for some of the things we as homeopaths espouse...
People seem to be getting confused between pharmaceutical marketing
forces and research. I agree that a lot of research is tainted
consciously or unconsciously by money play- does not mean that all
that research finding should be thrown out or becomes meaningless...
are you throwing out your repertories because someone found a remedy
by pendulum and not by using a repertory? When you throw in a lot of
money ( like billions of dollars) into something it is a business we
are talking about. Yes any business wants to save itself and make
money out of anything possible.. it is common whether it is a
multinational behemoth, the Mercolas of the world or the homeopathic
pharmacies and even homeopathic doctors peddling whatever "delusions"
in the lecture circuit... ( Ok in the lecture circuit it might be -
who can be ushered in as the "Samuel the Second" - or the "Holy Spirit
of Homeopathy" and not just money power)

Does not mean that research is 100% unreliable and untrustworthy -

No system of medicine can survive and dominate so much as allopathy is
doing just because it is being marketed aggressively- there is a need
in the society for something like this and it is fulfilling such a
need and that is the truth of it- the homeopathic approach to this is
not decrying it but really building up the societal immunity ( in fact
even the actual immunity of people) by doing good clinical work in a
socially acceptable and conscientious manner using common sense at
least, if not science - not by using negative slogans and prejudiced
comments...
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Re: Good Use of Research and your noodles

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:06 pm
by Sheri Nakken
I guess you didn't read the info on the difference between 'rational'
science and 'empirical' science.
And appears you didn't read the info on the corruption of science,
research, research in educational institutions, etc.
Who can afford to do research, finance research? Drug companies primarily.

They are supposedly of rational but aren't really following their own rules
(as if there were any)

We don't need to employ scientists to do anything to prove homeopathy

Keep your head in the sand, if you choose
Hardly sour grapes..............I have more business than I can possibly
cope with - because of the so-called science of allopathy
Sheri

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Re: Good Use of Research and your noodles

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:06 pm
by Theresa Partington
Voice of sanity as always, H20002.

Isn't it time you updated your moniker?
theresa
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Re: Good Use of Research and your noodles

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:29 pm
by Shannon Nelson
H2002,
:-D
Yup, in some ways we are "scientific", and in other ways we are still
"working at it".
I like your common-sense perspective on this "divide"!
I'd like to add, too, that if we (as individuals and as a community)
can maintain that good ol' "objective observer" stance, we will be able
to recognize and (potentially) *work with* both the weaknesses and the
strengths of the "mainstream". I think it is very rare in life that
one side is "all right" or "all wrong"--and if we are sincere in
wanting to Aude Sapere--er, I mean wanting to know the truth(s) of
these matters, we have to learn to listen, even to people we "don't
like" :-) and don't (think we) agree with.

How can one possibly do that, if one starts with the assumption that
everything the other side says is a lie? Better, IMO, to begin by
understanding (at least some of) the inherent weaknesses (theirs *and*
ours), and doing our best to sort the "wheat from the chaff". Can't do
that while mudslinging!

As for the assertion that it's not possible to tell good research from
bad?
Hm. Is it possible to tell good *prescribing* from bad? I think
so--*if* you know what you are looking for. Which was part of Irene's
point...
Shannon

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Re: Good Use of Research and your noodles

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:26 pm
by Shannon Nelson
I agree! Esp. since your actual name has now joined the moniker in
your address--or have you been waiting to see if anyone noticed? :-)
Shannon
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Re: Good Use of Research and your noodles

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:44 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Any science or endeavor will need some of both.
Homeopathy and allopathy certainly have some of both.

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Re: Good Use of Research and your noodles

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:07 pm
by Luise Kunkle
Hi H.,

that really puts it very well!

Regards

Luise
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Re: Good Use of Research and your noodles

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:39 am
by muthu kumar
Sour grapes was not addressed to you personally and I wish you well in
your business - This is not addressed against you personally- there is
a need to point out to the public the harms that can come out of
allopathic drugging and vaccinations- and you are doing it and I
appreciate your contributions - at the same time there is also the
over-doing part of it- and sometimes too much vehemence in denouncing
things puts people off - in plain terms you definitely put me off when
you are too strident- it is like too much allopathic drugging - what I
am suggesting is being more subtle like homeopathy and being
individualistic and discerning in your attacks - once again like
homeopathy - and choose your potencies correctly-
we are still living in democratic countries - at least most of us and
still there are checks and balances inherent in the system, even in
pharmaceutical research- I agree that even these tend to get
corrupted but I still have hopes for allopathy and still believe that
there will be a peaceful coexistence of the camps...

I ( We) may have our heads in sand - and sometimes it is therapeutic
after seeing people walking with their heads in the clouds...and
sometimes 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
[by putting heads in sand]
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,[and Sheris]
And by opposing end them? [which I do not want to do - yet]
;-)
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Re: Good Use of Research and your noodles

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:21 am
by Jean Doherty
They though have more opportunity to do research and hopefully
will eventually embrace another way
I think a homeopath should be a respected team member and be the
first resource but back up can be useful,Jean
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