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Hi Irene,

I have a question.

I will just reduce your post to the relevant (to my question) part.
Long decades ago, long before study you presented, Adelle Davis wrote
that soy protein is the one plant protein that has the amino acids in
animal ratios.

Was she mistaken?

Regards

Luise

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So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Hi Luise,
I look forward to Irene's reply, but will say this: There is more to
any food than any breakdown of specific chemical components! There are
so many issues with soy... *Maybe* it's fine for those who can digest
it, but for some of us, soy is about as digestible as shoe leather,
cardboard, etc. Amino acid ratio notwithstanding, it's a WAY different
product than is meat!
Shannon
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again, there is much research that indicates that soy is not only not the
magic proteing pill it is touted to be, but in actually is harmful to the
body.
soy should be eaten only in a fermented form: soy sauce, miso, tempeh.

tanya
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Luise Kunkle wrote:

Analysis technique has probably improved since then, but yes she was
wrong on that (though she was right on most things and way ahead of her
time).

Here you can see an analysis of 1.345g of soy which has 16g protein, 15g
carbs:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/c ... ut_edit.pl
And here is an analysis of 100g of beef with its 31g protein and zero
carbs (a smaller amount of food with way more nutrients):
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/c ... ut_edit.pl

I chose an amount of soy to equalize the Tryptophan, and hence make all
other amino acids directly comparable in ratio. Just to name a few:
Threonine, Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine and most others others are double
or more in beef; Glycine is three times as much; Methionine, and Cystine
are 4 times as much in beef; Hydroxyproline is missing in soy.
However - Soy also has another adverse effect on mammals which makes it
an inadvisable food for most: Soy will skew the immune system to
overproduction of Th-2 cytokines (antibody-related) over TH-1 cytokines
(chronic disease resistance related).
You especially see the severe consequences of this when humans try
to be vegetarian (especially those who are type O blood as they are more
badly affected by soy). These people get Th-2 skewed diseases from the
Th-2 skewed immune system that predisposes TH-2 diseases. So you see
allergies, arthritis, fibromyalgia, obesity with insulin resistance,
gastric disturbances, and the list goes on.

In our society Th-2 skewed immune systems are practically standard after
all the vaccines forced on the population - so why add soy to make it worse?

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Hi Irene,
I used to be a great fan of hers. For almost 2 years I lived strictly
by her recommendations. It did nothing for me - but I still agree with
you.

At least as far as the USA are concerned. After I returned to Germany
I was swamped with a great variety, most contradictory to each
other, on what healthy nutrition is like. Especially so, after I
went to naturopathic school:-)

So here, as mostly everywhere else, I just know that I know nothing.

The issue where the soy question used to be relevant to me was indeed
for the vegans among my patients. I relied on Adele Davis and may have
given them wrong information:-(

Regards

Luise

--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Adele Davis sort of "saved my life" several decades back! Her "Let's
Eat Right to Keep Fit" is still the best resource I've read for certain
types of basic yet extremely useful information--and the index to that
book is absolutely amazing.

More below:
Yup, that's true! It's almost as if they were talking about different
human bodies, isn't it. And you know what--they are!

Some of Adele Davis's recommendations definitely don't fly for me--e.g.
she was WAY into powdered milk, but it hates me almost as much as soy
does. And IMO she got a bit obsessive about raw liver, LOL! But
still... But for learning basic and *important* facts about nutrition
and "why it matters", her work is excellent, and "Let's Eat Right...",
in particular, is just a terrific book. The fact that it is still
(again?) in print some... is it 40 years later, or is it more?--well,
that tells you something!

Well, she didn't know everything...
But if you got them reading her *books*, you did them a great service!
Cheers,
Shannon
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Luise Kunkle wrote:

I'm sure we all give the best info we have at the time - and it is never
going to be correct all the time.
It's why I think we all need to know how to read research to try to keep
up in our field. It adds one extra layer of useful info.

I'm so glad I do not have vegan patients - I'd be inclined to explain
how the body is designed and why it is abusive to force it to try to
function in a vegan environment. I have such respect for how we are
designed, that a vegan approach makes no sense to me at all
I don't mind vegan cows of course:-)

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

To eat presumably?

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Simon King wrote:

Medium rare.


--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Ah, yes, you WOULD cook it, wouldn't you?

What a waste:)

ginny
All stunts performed without a net!
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