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The role of retroviruses in human life and disease
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/?newsid=17320

In reference to the above article (pasted at the end of this email)

I agree totally with this statement - if they exist

"Understanding the broader perspective
Dr Ryan emphasises the importance of understanding the symbiotic nature of
HERVs to better understand their role in human diseases. 'It is not enough
to demonstrate a virus, or a viral product, in tissues affected by cancer
or disease. The viruses, or their products, may be playing a neutral or
even a beneficial role. We first need to understand such symbiotic roles
before we can recognise a pathological deviation that might contribute to a
disease. This is likely to become of increasingly important to our
understanding of certain cancers and autoimmune diseases.'"

But to buy into the HIV causes AIDS (unknown and unlikely at this point),
is not helpful

Prior to 1987, Dr. Peter Duesberg was considered to be one of the top
retrovirologists in the world. For 25 years he claims that he never had a
grant application turned down [Duesberg, 1997]. But, after his infamous
Cancer Research paper was published [Duesberg, 1987] arguing that
retroviruses, including HIV, could not cause disease, he found the
scientific world turning against him. From that point on, not a single one
of his government grant applications was approved, and he has had to rely
on a small amount of private funding and his university salary to do any
research at all.

[Duesberg, 1987] Duesberg PH. Retroviruses as Carcinogens and Pathogens:
Expectations and Reality. Cancer Res. 1987 Mar 1; 47: 1199-1220.

http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm
""So for a long time I studied virology, from the end to the beginning,
from the beginning to the end, to be absolutely sure that there was no such
thing as HIV. And it was easy for me to be sure about this because I
realized that the whole group of viruses to which HIV is said to belong,
the retroviruses -- as well as other viruses which are claimed to be very
dangerous -- in fact do not exist at all.""

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/slartefact.htm
"Whenever and wherever reverse transcriptase activity was detected it was
rashly assumed that retroviruses were at work. This turned out to be a
grave error, because it was later found that the enzyme occurred in all
living matter, proving that reverse transcriptase activity had nothing to
do with retroviruses per se.(15)"

http://www.sumeria.net/aids/chat.html
"(II) Even so, one must admire Gallo's audacity, because using the same
technique he claimed in 1975 to have discovered the first human retrovirus
(HL23), but which turned out to be nothing more than pieces of DNA from
three different sources of contamination.(28) Nowadays, even an
undergraduate would know that if you added DNA to a cell culture, part of
the DNA would be incorporated into the cells without any virus being
involved. "

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http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/?newsid=17320

The role of retroviruses in human life and disease
04 Dec 2004

Human endogenous retroviruses (HERVs) have been the subject of a great deal
of investigation in recent years. It has been established that HERVs cause
some genetic diseases and there is strong circumstantial evidence for a
link to some types of cancer and autoimmune diseases, but what else do we
need to know about these unique organisms? In the December issue of the
Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine, Dr Frank Ryan discusses HERVs in
the context of medicine, human evolution and physiology.

Half of human DNA is viral

Although retroviruses were discovered in animals much earlier, their
infectious potential for humans was not realized until the emergence of the
leukaemia viruses, HTLV-I and II and, most dramatically of all, with the
AIDS pandemic caused by viruses HIV1 and HIV2. As Dr Ryan explains,
endogenous retroviruses (ERVs) 'have the unique ability to invade the germ
cells of every species of vertebrate' where they are transmitted as part of
normal reproduction (germline transmission), meanwhile interacting with
their host's evolution over millions of years. 'Genome sequencing reveals
that 8% of the human genome consists of HERVs and roughly half of our DNA
is made up of viral genes or their genetic products.' So what are they
really doing there?

Both useful and harmful to human life

The HIV-1 retrovirus pandemic is taking the lives of millions of people
across the globe. However, HERVs also play a very important role in the
normal human development and day to day existence. Three separate
retroviruses supply vital components to every human pregnancy. If, as the
public might imagine, we should remove these viruses from our chromosomes,
the human species would become extinct. How do we reconcile these strange
contradictions implicit in the behaviour of the viruses?

HERVs and symbiosis

Symbiosis is the partnership of two different life forms. It does not imply
a friendly interaction. 'Certain microbes have entered into key symbiotic
roles with their hosts to enable a kind of fast-track evolution,' Dr Ryan
says. ?We breathe oxygen thanks to ancient bacteria that once invaded our
distant ancestor - the symbiotic descendants of these bacteria are the
mitochondria in every living cell today.' HERVs behave in much the same
way. They begin as ?aggressive symbionts' - a complex form of parastism.
But over time the relationship evolves to a ?mutualistic symbiosis.' In
symbioses, natural selection operates not at the level of the selfish
individual but at the level of the partnership, honing each partner in such
a way as to strengthen the viability of the partnership, thus enabling it
to become ?an evolutionarily stable strategy.' There is growing evidence
that this symbiotic interaction with very large numbers of human
retroviruses has played a major role in primate and most particularly human
evolution.

Understanding the broader perspective

Dr Ryan emphasises the importance of understanding the symbiotic nature of
HERVs to better understand their role in human diseases. 'It is not enough
to demonstrate a virus, or a viral product, in tissues affected by cancer
or disease. The viruses, or their products, may be playing a neutral or
even a beneficial role. We first need to understand such symbiotic roles
before we can recognise a pathological deviation that might contribute to a
disease. This is likely to become of increasingly important to our
understanding of certain cancers and autoimmune diseases.'

Full article pdf
http://www.rsm.ac.uk/new/pdfs/j_art_dec04.pdf

For further information, contact:
Michelle Clarke
The Press Office The Royal Society of Medicine
1, Wimpole Street London W1G 0AE
Tel: +44 (0) 20 7290 2904 Fax: +44 (0) 20 7290 2992 Email:
michelle.clarke@rsm.ac.uk
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I suggest what we think we know or have been told about viruses (&
retroviruses) is totally skewed - there is big money in viruses being the
'cause' of so many things. We may never know the truth.

What if they are there for a reason and doing a job, and not the cause of
anything.
Sheri
The role of retroviruses in human life and disease
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/?newsid=17320

In reference to the above article (pasted at the end of this email)

I agree totally with this statement - if they exist

"Understanding the broader perspective
Dr Ryan emphasises the importance of understanding the symbiotic nature of
HERVs to better understand their role in human diseases. 'It is not enough
to demonstrate a virus, or a viral product, in tissues affected by cancer
or disease. The viruses, or their products, may be playing a neutral or
even a beneficial role. We first need to understand such symbiotic roles
before we can recognise a pathological deviation that might contribute to a
disease. This is likely to become of increasingly important to our
understanding of certain cancers and autoimmune diseases.'"

But to buy into the HIV causes AIDS (unknown and unlikely at this point),
is not helpful

Prior to 1987, Dr. Peter Duesberg was considered to be one of the top
retrovirologists in the world. For 25 years he claims that he never had a
grant application turned down [Duesberg, 1997]. But, after his infamous
Cancer Research paper was published [Duesberg, 1987] arguing that
retroviruses, including HIV, could not cause disease, he found the
scientific world turning against him. From that point on, not a single one
of his government grant applications was approved, and he has had to rely
on a small amount of private funding and his university salary to do any
research at all.

[Duesberg, 1987] Duesberg PH. Retroviruses as Carcinogens and Pathogens:
Expectations and Reality. Cancer Res. 1987 Mar 1; 47: 1199-1220.

http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm
""So for a long time I studied virology, from the end to the beginning,
from the beginning to the end, to be absolutely sure that there was no such
thing as HIV. And it was easy for me to be sure about this because I
realized that the whole group of viruses to which HIV is said to belong,
the retroviruses -- as well as other viruses which are claimed to be very
dangerous -- in fact do not exist at all.""

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/slartefact.htm
"Whenever and wherever reverse transcriptase activity was detected it was
rashly assumed that retroviruses were at work. This turned out to be a
grave error, because it was later found that the enzyme occurred in all
living matter, proving that reverse transcriptase activity had nothing to
do with retroviruses per se.(15)"

http://www.sumeria.net/aids/chat.html
"(II) Even so, one must admire Gallo's audacity, because using the same
technique he claimed in 1975 to have discovered the first human retrovirus
(HL23), but which turned out to be nothing more than pieces of DNA from
three different sources of contamination.(28) Nowadays, even an
undergraduate would know that if you added DNA to a cell culture, part of
the DNA would be incorporated into the cells without any virus being
involved. "

**********************

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/?newsid=17320

The role of retroviruses in human life and disease
04 Dec 2004

Human endogenous retroviruses (HERVs) have been the subject of a great deal
of investigation in recent years. It has been established that HERVs cause
some genetic diseases and there is strong circumstantial evidence for a
link to some types of cancer and autoimmune diseases, but what else do we
need to know about these unique organisms? In the December issue of the
Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine, Dr Frank Ryan discusses HERVs in
the context of medicine, human evolution and physiology.

Half of human DNA is viral

Although retroviruses were discovered in animals much earlier, their
infectious potential for humans was not realized until the emergence of the
leukaemia viruses, HTLV-I and II and, most dramatically of all, with the
AIDS pandemic caused by viruses HIV1 and HIV2. As Dr Ryan explains,
endogenous retroviruses (ERVs) 'have the unique ability to invade the germ
cells of every species of vertebrate' where they are transmitted as part of
normal reproduction (germline transmission), meanwhile interacting with
their host's evolution over millions of years. 'Genome sequencing reveals
that 8% of the human genome consists of HERVs and roughly half of our DNA
is made up of viral genes or their genetic products.' So what are they
really doing there?

Both useful and harmful to human life

The HIV-1 retrovirus pandemic is taking the lives of millions of people
across the globe. However, HERVs also play a very important role in the
normal human development and day to day existence. Three separate
retroviruses supply vital components to every human pregnancy. If, as the
public might imagine, we should remove these viruses from our chromosomes,
the human species would become extinct. How do we reconcile these strange
contradictions implicit in the behaviour of the viruses?

HERVs and symbiosis

Symbiosis is the partnership of two different life forms. It does not imply
a friendly interaction. 'Certain microbes have entered into key symbiotic
roles with their hosts to enable a kind of fast-track evolution,' Dr Ryan
says. ?We breathe oxygen thanks to ancient bacteria that once invaded our
distant ancestor - the symbiotic descendants of these bacteria are the
mitochondria in every living cell today.' HERVs behave in much the same
way. They begin as ?aggressive symbionts' - a complex form of parastism.
But over time the relationship evolves to a ?mutualistic symbiosis.' In
symbioses, natural selection operates not at the level of the selfish
individual but at the level of the partnership, honing each partner in such
a way as to strengthen the viability of the partnership, thus enabling it
to become ?an evolutionarily stable strategy.' There is growing evidence
that this symbiotic interaction with very large numbers of human
retroviruses has played a major role in primate and most particularly human
evolution.

Understanding the broader perspective

Dr Ryan emphasises the importance of understanding the symbiotic nature of
HERVs to better understand their role in human diseases. 'It is not enough
to demonstrate a virus, or a viral product, in tissues affected by cancer
or disease. The viruses, or their products, may be playing a neutral or
even a beneficial role. We first need to understand such symbiotic roles
before we can recognise a pathological deviation that might contribute to a
disease. This is likely to become of increasingly important to our
understanding of certain cancers and autoimmune diseases.'

Full article pdf
http://www.rsm.ac.uk/new/pdfs/j_art_dec04.pdf

For further information, contact:
Michelle Clarke
The Press Office The Royal Society of Medicine
1, Wimpole Street London W1G 0AE
Tel: +44 (0) 20 7290 2904 Fax: +44 (0) 20 7290 2992 Email:
michelle.clarke@rsm.ac.uk
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
Well Within & Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours (worldwide)
Vaccination Information & Choice Network (new website)
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm
http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm
homeopathycures@tesco.net
ONLINE Introduction to Homeopathy Classes - next one May 9, 2007
ONLINE Introduction to Vaccine Dangers Classes - next ones fall 2007
ONLINE Intro to Diseases - Risk, Reality & Alternative Treatment next ones
fall 2007
Voicemail US 530-740-0561 UK phone from US 011-44-1874-624-936

Sheri Nakken wrote:

Sheri,
One can look physically at what the viruses are doing, using a
microscope. Multiplying into a gazillion viruses and thus bursting a
cell for example...and then sending off the new ones to do likewise to
more cells. How is that "a job"? How is that not damaging?

Viruses, like any other living things, are looking for a way to eat and
reproduce and maintain the species. Not all are pathogenic
(disease-causing) but the ones we get concerned about are no saints:-)

When a virus "borrows" DNA from a cat, to make DNA that triggers
lymphoma, how is that "a job"?
Virologists can't mis-report that - or the other viral misbehavior
visible in microscopy. (I used to work in that area, and not for a drug
company - but using federal grant money to try to find how a disease
works so as to hopefully lead to a cure later. Research on later drugs
might well be drug-money but not the disease investigation aspect.) It's
something clear to be seen, how viruses behave and what they do.

Allopathy does not have "cures" for what viruses do either - the
viruses as a group of living things, have sneaky and highly variable
strategies.

The "best" allopathy can do, drug-company wise on viral illness, is to
invent vaccines to sell. They don't pretend to change, explain or use
what viruses do.

As a homeopath, I still do not see the virus as the direct cause of
disease - I see the cause as whatever reduced the resistance of the
system so much that the virus could do all the things that are so well
described and seen as virus activities during illness involving them.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."