Minutus

I saw a homeopath today for my son's stool withholding issues. Some may recall this
thread:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mi ... sage/42457

The visit left me feeling very unsettled about the integrity of the practitioner I saw, which
leaves me wondering how much faith to have in the integrity/appropriateness of the
remedy.

1. The case-taking session was all of about 10 minutes long. The doctor asked few
questions and got no more information from me than was provided in the thread above. I
recall all of three questions: 1) any stool issues before the withholding began, 2) is he on
any medications for this now, 3) how is his temperament in general.

That was the extent of his case taking.

2. Fees. I chose this doctor because he's an MD in my insurance plan. These are his stated
credentials: MD ABFP DHt MFHom CCH

When I made the appointment I specified it was for classical homeopathy and I was told I'd
have to pay only the $30 co-pay and the cost of the remedy. I thought that would be
great, I'd probably get out for $50-60 total.

I paid the $30 co-pay before seeing the doctor and when I was given the remedy I was told
to pay an additional $130. I asked why so much and was told that for people without
insurance the normal charge is $160 which includes the cost of the visit and remedy
inclusive, but since I had already paid the $30 co-pay the cost of the remedy would be
$130.

So not only do I feel I may have been over charged, I also think he'll be charging my
insurance company company too - essentially double billing. I find that shady and
unscrupulous.

3. The remedy given is VIPERA in a 1% ethanol/water solution. No dosage is specified. The
label seems to indicate they are from Golden Dawn Hom, 112 Lex. (Lexington Avenue,
NYC, I presume.) Interesting since he told me it would take him up to 1/2 hour to
"prepare" the remedy.

I was given 20 bottles which constitutes a 30 days supply. Each bottle holds 3
tablespoons. I was told on day 1 to give a tablespoon from bottle #1 in the am and from
bottle #2 in the pm. On day two I should give a tablespoon from bottle #3 in the am and
#4 in the PM. Day 3 I give from bottles #5 & #6, and so forth in succession through the 20
bottles, then repeat the succession from bottle #1.

Does VIPERA sound like a good match for my sons condition?

Are two doses a day of alcohol solutions sound for a 4 year old?

Is this 20 bottle succession a common approach?

Is $130 a fair price for the remedy alone?

Unfortunately, the limited case-taking and confusing billing practices of this doctor/
homeopath leave me feeling suspect about everything, including the remedy. Should I just
return the remedy for a refund and start again with someone new, or case-taking and
billing aside, does his remedy appear viable/appropriate for my son's case?

Todd

VIPERA - The German Viper

Viper poisoning causes a temporary increase in reflexes, paresis
supervenes, a paraplegia of the lower extremities extending
upwards. Resembles acute ascending paralysis of Landry.
(Wells.) Has special action on kidneys and induces haematuria.
Cardiac dropsy.

Indicated in inflammation of veins with great swelling; bursting sensation.
Enlargement of liver.
Ailments of menopause. Oedema of glottis.
Poly-neuritis, polio-myelitis.

Face.-Excessively swollen. Lips and tongue swollen, livid,
protruding. Tongue dry, brown, black. Speech difficult.

Liver.-Violent pain in enlarged liver, with jaundice and
fever; extends to shoulder and hip.

Extremities.-Patient is obliged to keep the extremities
elevated. When they are allowed to hang down, it seems as if they would
burst, and the pain is unbearable. [Diad.] Varicose veins
and acute phlebitis. Veins swollen, sensitive; bursting pain.
Severe cramps in lower extremities.

Skin.-Livid. Skin peels in large plates. Lymphangioma,
boils, carbuncles, with bursting sensation, relieved by elevating
parts.

Relationship.-Pelius berus-Adder. (Prostration and fainting,
faltering pulse, skin yellow, pain about navel. Swelling of
arm, tongue, right eye; giddiness, nervousness, faintness, sickness,
compression of chest, could not breathe properly or take
a deep breath; aching and stiffness of limbs, joints stiff,
collapsed feeling, great thirst.) Eel serum (heart and kidney diseases.
Failure of compensation and impending asystole).

Rgds
Soroush

Hi Todd!

I dont know the legal situation in the US , but this seems daylight
robbery to me!

Its ok to ask good money for good work, but this seems not like a
sincere hom.

i would try to get the money back maybe you insurance ca give you legal
advice.

Peter
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One felt aghast. Then I searched rectum and mind under Vipera
[Complete ] and some fitted. I found myself wondering if there was
any snake energy here, brooding and sudden letting go. Are there
other things beyond the picture of Vipera we know and Finrod
detailed One regrets complete lack of connection with client
and ??/greed, Jean
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Ok hang on a minute. Did he give you 20 bottles of the same remedy in
different successions? Did he explain why he picked this remedy. I agree
the case taking was short. 20 bottles of remedy can be costly if you think
8 bucks a bottle? Most Homeopaths I know charge around 150.00 for the case
taking and remedy, but that is normally not 20 bottles worth and this is
just an average, I have seen all the way up to 250.00 for the initial case
taking. Did he ask anything about emotional problems? Did you do your
homework on the homeopath? He did prepare it, he would have started with
one and created the rest of the steps. His credentials seem like he should
be knowledgeable. You can email his/her name off list and I will see if I
can find anything about the background. Did you fill out a lengthy
questionnaire? Mine is about 10 pages. We need to know a little more
before jumping ship. Thanks Kathy
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
dadloveshisboy
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:00 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] First visit to homeopath leaves me uneasy - please advise
I saw a homeopath today for my son's stool withholding issues. Some may
recall this
thread:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mi ... sage/42457

The visit left me feeling very unsettled about the integrity of the
practitioner I saw, which
leaves me wondering how much faith to have in the integrity/appropriateness
of the
remedy.

1. The case-taking session was all of about 10 minutes long. The doctor
asked few
questions and got no more information from me than was provided in the
thread above. I
recall all of three questions: 1) any stool issues before the withholding
began, 2) is he on
any medications for this now, 3) how is his temperament in general.

That was the extent of his case taking.

2. Fees. I chose this doctor because he's an MD in my insurance plan. These
are his stated
credentials: MD ABFP DHt MFHom CCH

When I made the appointment I specified it was for classical homeopathy and
I was told I'd
have to pay only the $30 co-pay and the cost of the remedy. I thought that
would be
great, I'd probably get out for $50-60 total.

I paid the $30 co-pay before seeing the doctor and when I was given the
remedy I was told
to pay an additional $130. I asked why so much and was told that for people
without
insurance the normal charge is $160 which includes the cost of the visit and
remedy
inclusive, but since I had already paid the $30 co-pay the cost of the
remedy would be
$130.

So not only do I feel I may have been over charged, I also think he'll be
charging my
insurance company company too - essentially double billing. I find that
shady and
unscrupulous.

3. The remedy given is VIPERA in a 1% ethanol/water solution. No dosage is
specified. The
label seems to indicate they are from Golden Dawn Hom, 112 Lex. (Lexington
Avenue,
NYC, I presume.) Interesting since he told me it would take him up to 1/2
hour to
"prepare" the remedy.

I was given 20 bottles which constitutes a 30 days supply. Each bottle holds
3
tablespoons. I was told on day 1 to give a tablespoon from bottle #1 in the
am and from
bottle #2 in the pm. On day two I should give a tablespoon from bottle #3 in
the am and
#4 in the PM. Day 3 I give from bottles #5 & #6, and so forth in succession
through the 20
bottles, then repeat the succession from bottle #1.

Does VIPERA sound like a good match for my sons condition?

Are two doses a day of alcohol solutions sound for a 4 year old?

Is this 20 bottle succession a common approach?

Is $130 a fair price for the remedy alone?

Unfortunately, the limited case-taking and confusing billing practices of
this doctor/
homeopath leave me feeling suspect about everything, including the remedy.
Should I just
return the remedy for a refund and start again with someone new, or
case-taking and
billing aside, does his remedy appear viable/appropriate for my son's case?

Todd
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Saroush

Why did you send this to Todd via the list?
What help would this actually be?

I think we should hang, draw and quarter this MD/homoeopath, and scatter his remains
at significant points on the earth.
He has obviously done something terribly irresponsible ------ or has he?

Where do we get off saying that his treatment is not one to be followed?

Maybe he saw something that led him to Vipera --- and maybe he didn't need to take the
whole case because something jumped out at him

Vipera is listed under chronic constipation
It also has constriction of anus, involuntary stool, and pain, and tenesmus.

To Todd,

The people on this list are within their rights to make comments on what you have described as your
first visit to a homoeopath --- as it sounds like not alot of time was devoted to the visit ---
however,
even so, this homoeopath may have been given a clue by something you said, that led them to make
that choice

So, no one on this list can jump in legitimately and say it is not appropriate, all they can say is,
that based on what
you have told us, it has not been done in a manner that they would have taken the case.

The remedy I gave for one case of chronic constipation is not listed in the repertory for
constipation. Yet it worked
overnight, and fixed the problem, much to all our surprise. And, it has lasted for 2 years so
far ---- in that the problem
has not reoccurred.

So, maybe I could have been chastised by this list as well. I based my prescription on clinical
experience of another
homoeopath, and in this instance it was correct.

So, please Todd, think carefully before you scrap the treatment.

On the other hand, if because of your involvement on this list, you no longer have faith in that
homoeopath,
then it is not a particularly good relationship to have.

Re the money, from what I gather, in the US there are homoeopaths who charge from 300 -600 dollars
at least, to
take a case. To me that is outrageous anyway -- and I wouldn't have any clients if i charged that
amount.

They may spend more time on your case, but that does not guarantee that they would come up with a
different
remedy than Vipera in your case.

Just some food for thought
Robyn

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Peace be on Earth, and among all beings!
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Costs of the initial appointment are all over the map, from $125 (for a not
very good practitioner, she knows what she is worth) up to $450 for a DO (like
an MD) in a large metro area. And remedies can go from $8 to $25 per
bottle.
Chances are you were charged for the consultation because your insurance
won't pay for homeopathy. I know MDs who keep their homeopathy completely
separate from their allopathic practice. They may be covered by insurance in
their allopathic practice, but they may not submit claims for homeopathy.
Having said the above, the casetaking doesn't sound like it was very
thorough, which it should be for the best homeopathy.
I doubt you will be able to get your money back, he provided the services
and sent you away with a remedy. Just because you were not impressed with his
style wouldn't be grounds for a refund.
But it wouldn't hurt to discuss your concerns with this practitioner.
Best wishes,
Marybeth
In a message dated 1/20/2007 4:30:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kathy@intellipute.com writes:

Ok hang on a minute. Did he give you 20 bottles of the same remedy in
different successions? Did he explain why he picked this remedy. I agree
the case taking was short. 20 bottles of remedy can be costly if you think
8 bucks a bottle? Most Homeopaths I know charge around 150.00 for the case
taking and remedy, but that is normally not 20 bottles worth and this is
just an average, I have seen all the way up to 250.00 for the initial case
taking. Did he ask anything about emotional problems? Did you do your
homework on the homeopath? He did prepare it, he would have started with
one and created the rest of the steps. His credentials seem like he should
be knowledgeable. You can email his/her name off list and I will see if I
can find anything about the background. Did you fill out a lengthy
questionnaire? Mine is about 10 pages. We need to know a little more
before jumping ship. Thanks Kathy
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
dadloveshisboy
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:00 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] First visit to homeopath leaves me uneasy - please advise
I saw a homeopath today for my son's stool withholding issues. Some may
recall this
thread:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mi ... sage/42457

The visit left me feeling very unsettled about the integrity of the
practitioner I saw, which
leaves me wondering how much faith to have in the integrity/appropriateness
of the
remedy.

1. The case-taking session was all of about 10 minutes long. The doctor
asked few
questions and got no more information from me than was provided in the
thread above. I
recall all of three questions: 1) any stool issues before the withholding
began, 2) is he on
any medications for this now, 3) how is his temperament in general.

That was the extent of his case taking.

2. Fees. I chose this doctor because he's an MD in my insurance plan. These
are his stated
credentials: MD ABFP DHt MFHom CCH

When I made the appointment I specified it was for classical homeopathy and
I was told I'd
have to pay only the $30 co-pay and the cost of the remedy. I thought that
would be
great, I'd probably get out for $50-60 total.

I paid the $30 co-pay before seeing the doctor and when I was given the
remedy I was told
to pay an additional $130. I asked why so much and was told that for people
without
insurance the normal charge is $160 which includes the cost of the visit and
remedy
inclusive, but since I had already paid the $30 co-pay the cost of the
remedy would be
$130.

So not only do I feel I may have been over charged, I also think he'll be
charging my
insurance company company too - essentially double billing. I find that
shady and
unscrupulous.

3. The remedy given is VIPERA in a 1% ethanol/water solution. No dosage is
specified. The
label seems to indicate they are from Golden Dawn Hom, 112 Lex. (Lexington
Avenue,
NYC, I presume.) Interesting since he told me it would take him up to 1/2
hour to
"prepare" the remedy.

I was given 20 bottles which constitutes a 30 days supply. Each bottle holds
3
tablespoons. I was told on day 1 to give a tablespoon from bottle #1 in the
am and from
bottle #2 in the pm. On day two I should give a tablespoon from bottle #3 in
the am and
#4 in the PM. Day 3 I give from bottles #5 & #6, and so forth in succession
through the 20
bottles, then repeat the succession from bottle #1.

Does VIPERA sound like a good match for my sons condition?

Are two doses a day of alcohol solutions sound for a 4 year old?

Is this 20 bottle succession a common approach?

Is $130 a fair price for the remedy alone?

Unfortunately, the limited case-taking and confusing billing practices of
this doctor/
homeopath leave me feeling suspect about everything, including the remedy.
Should I just
return the remedy for a refund and start again with someone new, or
case-taking and
billing aside, does his remedy appear viable/appropriate for my son's case?

Todd
Marybeth Buchele HMC/PCH*
Professional Homeopath
Offices in St. Louis Park, MN
952-933-6068
and
Menomonie, WI
715-231-6068
"Natural Health for Mind and Body"
_www.healthnaturally.biz_ (http://www.healthnaturally.biz/)

*Homeopathic Master Clinician/Proficient in Classical Homeopathy
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all I can tell you is that this is not a system of dosage I have come
across before

Simon
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I live and practice in a very rural area and I have charged as little as
$20.00, I am definitely not charging what I am worth, but what my clients
can afford. Kathy
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On Behalf Of Homeopathinmn@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:47 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] First visit to homeopath leaves me uneasy - please
advise
Costs of the initial appointment are all over the map, from $125 (for a not
very good practitioner, she knows what she is worth) up to $450 for a DO
(like
an MD) in a large metro area. And remedies can go from $8 to $25 per
bottle.
Chances are you were charged for the consultation because your insurance
won't pay for homeopathy. I know MDs who keep their homeopathy completely
separate from their allopathic practice. They may be covered by insurance in

their allopathic practice, but they may not submit claims for homeopathy.
Having said the above, the casetaking doesn't sound like it was very
thorough, which it should be for the best homeopathy.
I doubt you will be able to get your money back, he provided the services
and sent you away with a remedy. Just because you were not impressed with
his
style wouldn't be grounds for a refund.
But it wouldn't hurt to discuss your concerns with this practitioner.
Best wishes,
Marybeth

In a message dated 1/20/2007 4:30:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,
kathy@intellipute.com writes:

Ok hang on a minute. Did he give you 20 bottles of the same remedy in
different successions? Did he explain why he picked this remedy. I agree
the case taking was short. 20 bottles of remedy can be costly if you think
8 bucks a bottle? Most Homeopaths I know charge around 150.00 for the case
taking and remedy, but that is normally not 20 bottles worth and this is
just an average, I have seen all the way up to 250.00 for the initial case
taking. Did he ask anything about emotional problems? Did you do your
homework on the homeopath? He did prepare it, he would have started with
one and created the rest of the steps. His credentials seem like he should
be knowledgeable. You can email his/her name off list and I will see if I
can find anything about the background. Did you fill out a lengthy
questionnaire? Mine is about 10 pages. We need to know a little more
before jumping ship. Thanks Kathy

From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf Of
dadloveshisboy
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:00 PM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] First visit to homeopath leaves me uneasy - please advise

I saw a homeopath today for my son's stool withholding issues. Some may
recall this
thread:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/mi ... sage/42457

The visit left me feeling very unsettled about the integrity of the
practitioner I saw, which
leaves me wondering how much faith to have in the integrity/appropriateness
of the
remedy.

1. The case-taking session was all of about 10 minutes long. The doctor
asked few
questions and got no more information from me than was provided in the
thread above. I
recall all of three questions: 1) any stool issues before the withholding
began, 2) is he on
any medications for this now, 3) how is his temperament in general.

That was the extent of his case taking.

2. Fees. I chose this doctor because he's an MD in my insurance plan. These
are his stated
credentials: MD ABFP DHt MFHom CCH

When I made the appointment I specified it was for classical homeopathy and
I was told I'd
have to pay only the $30 co-pay and the cost of the remedy. I thought that
would be
great, I'd probably get out for $50-60 total.

I paid the $30 co-pay before seeing the doctor and when I was given the
remedy I was told
to pay an additional $130. I asked why so much and was told that for people
without
insurance the normal charge is $160 which includes the cost of the visit and
remedy
inclusive, but since I had already paid the $30 co-pay the cost of the
remedy would be
$130.

So not only do I feel I may have been over charged, I also think he'll be
charging my
insurance company company too - essentially double billing. I find that
shady and
unscrupulous.

3. The remedy given is VIPERA in a 1% ethanol/water solution. No dosage is
specified. The
label seems to indicate they are from Golden Dawn Hom, 112 Lex. (Lexington
Avenue,
NYC, I presume.) Interesting since he told me it would take him up to 1/2
hour to
"prepare" the remedy.

I was given 20 bottles which constitutes a 30 days supply. Each bottle holds
3
tablespoons. I was told on day 1 to give a tablespoon from bottle #1 in the
am and from
bottle #2 in the pm. On day two I should give a tablespoon from bottle #3 in
the am and
#4 in the PM. Day 3 I give from bottles #5 & #6, and so forth in succession
through the 20
bottles, then repeat the succession from bottle #1.

Does VIPERA sound like a good match for my sons condition?

Are two doses a day of alcohol solutions sound for a 4 year old?

Is this 20 bottle succession a common approach?

Is $130 a fair price for the remedy alone?

Unfortunately, the limited case-taking and confusing billing practices of
this doctor/
homeopath leave me feeling suspect about everything, including the remedy.
Should I just
return the remedy for a refund and start again with someone new, or
case-taking and
billing aside, does his remedy appear viable/appropriate for my son's case?

Todd

Marybeth Buchele HMC/PCH*
Professional Homeopath
Offices in St. Louis Park, MN
952-933-6068
and
Menomonie, WI
715-231-6068
"Natural Health for Mind and Body"
_www.healthnaturally.biz_ (http://www.healthnaturally.biz/)

*Homeopathic Master Clinician/Proficient in Classical Homeopathy

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