Minutus

Joy, Barbara, Shannon and everyone

I am also thinking if Aconite may play a part somewhere due to all the shocks to the nervous system. This young person also ran over a body on the road after someone else had run over it. This was a major shock esp when it was found the body wasn't dead and he saw the person die and the shock of being surrounded by police and being told he might be repsonsible and might be charged - went all night - didn't get charged and was told not responsible. Had said something strange on the phone to someone due to the shock. Mother didn't know of accident but was told of the strangeness of the conversation and knew something was wrong. She rang around to try and find someone who would know where he was and if he was okay. Someone who knew him rang him the morning after the accident and told him his mother was going to have the police hunt him down to find him. He then disappeared for 4 years.

Beverly
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Would have been good to know this before --- puts the whole thing in perspective.
Stram. creeps ever higher ...

Barbara
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--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "ehc" wrote:
the nervous system. This young person also ran over a body on the road after
someone else had run over it. This was a major shock esp when it was found the body
wasn't dead and he saw the person die and the shock of being surrounded by police
and being told he might be repsonsible and might be charged - went all night -
didn't get charged and was told not responsible. Had said something strange on the
phone to someone due to the shock. Mother didn't know of accident but was told of
the strangeness of the conversation and knew something was wrong. She rang
around to try and find someone who would know where he was and if he was okay.
Someone who knew him rang him the morning after the accident and told him his
mother was going to have the police hunt him down to find him. He then disappeared
for 4 years.

Lordy, the poor guy!!!! Forget giving staph first, hm?
To me this doesn't "feel" like aconite, because it's not "pure
terror"--it's terror related to death, horror, things that are
grotesque, threatening in an... well, an "undead", (almost
supernatural) horror sort of way, *not* a trainwreck kind of way!
Shannon
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Shannon, Barbara thanks for all that - appreciate your help

he grew up in fear

Apparently father would ring and threaten mother and then later him. Father broke into the house and tried to run them off the road when he was little.
Father used to smash his toys and yell and swear at him. Father would either refuse to see him to upset mother's initiatives or try to take him at other times. He was hidden in the country at a young age under an assumed name for a few weeks to avoid father's voilence and when police/court cases for proteciotn orders were being established although father did not abide by any of the orders.

Although father ended up living a long way away he used to travel aorund the country and this boy was always scared to go to major shopping centres where he knew his father may appear to do business and even fearful to go outside his home into the street in case father would turn up.

On his 18th birthday father sent him flowers with a card that read' flowers in my opinion are given to the dead- happy birthday Dad'

incident re the wine is inaccurate perception

Out of interest which rep are you using Shannon - re the nails. Synthesis and Murphy do not have all the remedies listed for ingrowing and only one for amputation.

Shannon the them I referred to is actually 'him'

My feeling is the getting away is to do with having a safe place to hide where he can't be threatened in any way and he can control the situation with no unknown factors coming into play and also so he can create a new life that is separate from the old one like the other one dind't exist. To all appearances there is a hurry about all he feels he has to do to survive but on a day to day basis a slowness in what he actually does.
There is a fear from the things he infers [naturally] that he has to use all his effort to survive.

Seems to have thought out in his mnind everything terrible that could happen to him and is attempting to circumvent that.

Beverly

Hi Beverly,
My mind just can't move beyond stramonium at this point--the more you
describe, the more it fits (I'm not insisting I'm "right" ,
but to me that picture seems to be just screaming for stramonium...)
Chronic terror; things (e.g. dad) lurking around any corner; innocent
appearances (birthday flowers) contain horror ("given to the dead");
can't rely on any safety... And definitely a high potency, or so I
would think!

Those rubrics I gave are all from Complete Millennium.
I look forward to hearing how it works out!!
Shannon
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Kind of late jumping into this - but Aconite is also a possibility-
Arn, Nat.m, Staph, Stram all look good but so does Aconite,
Fear expressed in actions is Aconite. There are many symptoms of
Sulph as well.
Not dressing neatly, being aimlessly busy, thinks healthy when not so
( Delusions of abundance), empty intellectual ( the philosopher)
unreasonable aversions and cravings for food etc. And Sulphur is a
chronic Aconite....

In fact when I was looking up the various symptoms other medicines
that were coming up repeatedly are Calc, Lyc as well ( Father ? Lyc)

Aconite - > Sulphur or
later the Sulphur -> Calc -> Lyc cycle?

Sulph follows Natr.mur well, and Natr.m had worked well before.
-- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "ehc" wrote:
the shocks to the nervous system. This young person also ran over a
body on the road after someone else had run over it. This was a major
shock esp when it was found the body wasn't dead and he saw the person
die and the shock of being surrounded by police and being told he
might be repsonsible and might be charged - went all night - didn't
get charged and was told not responsible. Had said something strange
on the phone to someone due to the shock. Mother didn't know of
accident but was told of the strangeness of the conversation and knew
something was wrong. She rang around to try and find someone who would
know where he was and if he was okay. Someone who knew him rang him
the morning after the accident and told him his mother was going to
have the police hunt him down to find him. He then disappeared for 4
years.

thankyou Hahnemannian

hadn't thought of sulphur as being something to consider before.

Certainly the lyc and as you concur possibly the aconite.

Will see how we go

kind regards
Beverly
www.eternalhealthconcepts.com

Dear H2002

Not questioning your suggestions here, but can I just ask you whether you had
factored in the likelihood of Calc, Sulph and Nat.mur coming up anyway as they are
the largest polychrests with listings in just about most rubrics - as I would personally
never use the fact that someone is scruffily dressed as a rubric to decide on Sulphur:
perhaps the real 'reason' behind that "not dressing neatly" is more important ?

I'm thinking perhaps there just might be a lack of 'awareness', or self-respect, or
even a deliberate statement about non-conformity maybe, etc. that might fit with
another rx picture. [I've also seen Sulphurs who are quite vain about their appearance
(just not v. observant of the minor rip here or there, or sometimes they just don't
match their smart clothes with personal hygiene ....)].

Best wishes, Barbara
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "hahnemannian2002"
wrote:

Barbara,

Followingon from what you have said -I don't see sulphur in this patient, although I understand where Hahnemonnian might be coming from

I see this patient as having no interest in self, no interest in pleasure - nothing is pleasant, feeling not worthwhile, not being able to work up the emotional energy to even notice that he is unkempt as the depression leads to more a survival instinct with no frills being even registered in his psyche as being there or not being there and certainly not important in the hierachy of his needs at this moment.

Beverly
www.eternalhealthconcepts.com

On 8/10/06, ehc wrote:
I see this patient as having no interest in self, no interest in pleasure -
nothing is pleasant, feeling not worthwhile, not being able to work up the
emotional energy to even notice that he is unkempt as the depression leads
to more a survival instinct with no frills being even registered in his
psyche as being there or not being there and certainly not important in the
hierachy of his needs at this moment.

Just some thoughts:

Remedies in 200C potency that worked for some time and then stopped working,
could be used, according to Robin Murphy, in 6C potency or LM/1 potency with
extremely good results.

Using large daily dose of 1000mcg Vit B12 alone has not been found useful in
at least one AIDS study and in some other weight loss regimes, and could
even cause harm by upsetting the fine mineral balance of each individual. (
David L Watts)

Natrium muriaticum has worked in the past for this case, it has ingrown toe
nail and sadness, brain-fag, intellectual fatigue etc and 6C or LM potency
approach may pay dividends.

Hypericum 30C for the acute (nerve damage) could possibly be the
intercurrent.
Regards.

Sarvadaman Oberoi
New Delhi, India
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REASONING AND REFERENCES
COMMENTS OF BEVERLY

"After 1 dose of Aur next day they were neat and tidy and shaved etc but aur
hasn't helped again.= 2 doses of aur given and helped [lack of interest in
self and eating bread] but 3rd one didn't help all the rest of this
situation with rages etc./hiding self from others."
"Pain Big toes [cannot touch at all] - used to have ingrown toenails which
were operated on unsuccessfully and nailbed burnt with acid to prevent
regrowth inside side of toe which was felt when anaesthetic didn't take. Now
has terrible pain in toes but Drs can't find any infection or ingrown nail
etc. Has been told is phantom pain. Walks on heels to avoid toes touching
the ground and can't have shoes touch toes. [Aur hasn't helped this]"
"Used to be very affectionate. And has spurts of this
Puls helped when young at times"
"just a note Am told that nat mur 200c helped when head injuries from being
bashed at school and also when majorly stressed after living with father and
would want to walk off into the night or stand in the pouring rain and not
come into his house."

"I see this patient as having no interest in self, no interest in pleasure -
nothing is pleasant, feeling not worthwhile, not being able to work up the
emotional energy to even notice that he is unkempt as the depression leads
to more a survival instinct with no frills being even registered in his
psyche as being there or not being there and certainly not important in the
hierachy of his needs at this moment."

Beverly
COMMENTS OF ROSEMARY

"Out of interest which rep are you using Shannon - re the nails. Synthesis
and Murphy do not have all the remedies listed for ingrowing and only one
for amputation.The essence of that sequence is an ongoing reaction to a past
injury --almost a repetition compulsion, in a way, although it's not
necessarily only mental/ emotional. The cutaneous nerves were injured and
the nerve pathway hasn't shut down.

I also wonder, as he's vegetarian, if he might not be deficient in B12. A
deficiency of that can produce some pretty horribly painful neuropathies in
the foot, starting with the toes!! You could find out easily enough by
having him dissolve a 1000mcg lozenge of B12 sublingually daily for 2-4
weeks. If there's any B12 deficiency involved in the foot pain, he'll notice
a difference within that time period. He can taper off to 1 tablet a week
once he's done the experiment, and that amount would keep him "topped up"
with the B12 once any deficiency has been eliminated."

Rosemary
TRACE ELEMENTS and OTHER ESSENTIAL NUTRIENTS,Clinical Application of Tissue
Mineral Analysis by Dr. David L. Watts

Vitamin B12 Antagonistic Vitamins/Minerals
Vit A
Cr Chromium in turn affects Mg, Zn, K
Fe Iron in turn affects Cu, Mn,K, Na, Cr, P, Se
K Potassium in turn affects Na, Mg, Co, Mn, Zn, P, Fe
Mg Magnesium in turn affects Ca, K, Zn, Mn, P, Cr
Mn Manganese in turn affects K, Zn, Mg, Fe, P
Zn Zinc in turn affects K, Mg, Mn, Cr, P

Vitamin B12 Synergistic Vitamins/Minerals
B1,B3,B5,B6,B10,C,D,E,
Se,Cu,Ca,Co,Na
ROBIN MURPHY'S COMMENTARY ON ORGANON OF MEDICINE 6TH EDITION, B Jain 2004,
Page 116

LM/2 in the second cup cured them instead of jumping from 6c to 12c, or 200c
to 1M. Hahneman's method is more sophisticated and effective.
A portion of my income is fixing those cases where people took high
potencies; and 70% of those cases that I get have seen Kentian prescribers,
I give the same remedy in a lower potency or water potency or LM, and I get
all the praise and credit. I just listen to their story - "Oh, I took Sepia
10 M and I got a horrible aggravation, and I was great for six months .... "
It's the same story. I give them Sepia 6c in water and there's a dramatic
cure. They say, "Wow, he's such a great prescriber!" I didn't do anything.
Some people need a 6c and a 12c, and then they get better. So all those
cases you get where they had the right remedy, just go back and give the
same thing in water or an LM and you'll see dramatic results, and that is
the proof of the system. We can't prove it from other cases, but within that
same case we can prove it - that LM/l cured and 10M failed. What can we say?
Ingrown thumb nail
Hamamelis JW Ward
Ingrown toe nail
Alumen C Hering
Alumina phosphorica JT Kent
Calcarea silicata J Scholten
Calendula officinalis C Hering
Castor equi RL Gupta
Causticum C Hering
Colchicum autumnale RL Gupta S Lilienthal
Ferrum silicatum J Scholten
Graphites C Hering
Hepar sulph RL Gupta
Hydrastis canadensis MT external use
Iridium metallicum J Scholten
Kalium carbonicum RL Gupta S Lilienthal
Kalium muriaticum
Kali silicatum J Scholten
Lachesis mutus
Magnesium fluoratum F Vermeulen
Magnesium silicatum J Scholten
Magnetis polus australis
Manganum silicatum J Scholten
Natrium muriaticum
Natrum silicatum J Scholten
Acidum nitricum C Hering
Phosphorus RL Gupta S Lilienthal
Plumbum metallicum C Hering
Plumbum muriaticum J Scholten
Plumbum phosphoricum J Scholten
Rhus tox EB Nash
Sanguinaria canadensis C Hering
Silicea C Hering J Scholten
Silicicum metallicum J Scholten
Staphysagria
Sulphur
Sulphur iodatum F Vermeulen
Tetradymitum
Teucrium marum verum C Hering
Thuja C Hering
Tuberculinum bovinum kent
Tungstenium metallicum
X-ray OA Julian J Stephenson
Extremities, nails, ingrowing: alum, alum-p, bufo, calen, caust,colch,
fl-ac, graph, hep, kali-c, kali-chl, kali-m, lach, m-aust,mag-p, nat-m,
nit-ac, ph-ac, plb, sang, sil, staph, sul-i, sulph,teucr, thuj, tub, x-ray.
Extremity pain, after amputation: acon, all-c, am-m, anh, arg, arn,asaf,
cupr, haem, hyper, kalm, ph-ac, rauw, spig, staph, symph, verat
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