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THANK YOU for this Ahmed.

I am sure to use it in future.

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But please see this:

August 23, 2000

Lawmakers reject new regulations for homeopaths
By Cy Ryan

SUN CAPITAL BUREAU

CARSON CITY -- A legislative committee, in a 3-2 vote, refused Tuesday to
approve new regulations by the state Board of Homeopathic Medical Examiners
in the latest chapter of the battle between alternative and traditional
medicine.

Assemblywoman Kathy McClain, D-Las Vegas, a member of the Legislative
Committee to review regulations, said the proposed rules were "very vague
and very complex."

She suggested the 2001 Legislature take another look at the law to clear up
ambiguities about what homeopaths and other practitioners of alternative
medicine licensed in Nevada can and cannot do in their practice.

The new rules address education, discipline and types of drugs that can be
prescribed by practitioners of alternative medicine.

The committee heard more than two hours of debate between the state Board of
Medical Examiners, which licenses doctors, and the homeopathic board, which
regulates alternative medicine.

Janie Greenspun Gale, president of the homeopathic board, said the
regulations would upgrade the education of those in the profession by
requiring, among other things, a higher score to pass the state test for a
license.

The state Board of Medical Examiners, she said, has been trying to shut down
the homeopathic board.

She said alternative medicine works. She objected to some of the comments of
doctors who called homeopaths "witch doctors" who practice "voodoo."

"We have some of the finest doctors in the United States," Gale said.

But Robert Barengo, lobbyist for the medical examiners board, said the
proposed regulations would allow homeopaths to expand their practice outside
the scope of the law. Advanced homeopath practitioners with limited
education would be able to prescribe controlled substances, he said.

Homeopathic doctors, who specialize in a system of treatment that uses small
doses of medicine, can get a Nevada license if they have graduated from a
medical school in another state and are licensed outside Nevada. They would
not have to pass the Nevada examination nor have the medical education to be
licensed, as a physician would. But he said there are eight or nine medical
doctors who are also homeopaths.

Drs. Fuller Royal and David Edwards defended the regulations. Fuller
detailed the long fight between doctors and homeopaths in the Legislature
and through legislative committees. Royal said the medical examiners board
was concerned with "control" and "not concerned with public safety."

There is an increasing public interest in alternative therapy, Royal said.

Assemblyman Greg Brower, R-Reno, chairman of the committee, said the
regulations appear to protect the homeopaths and not the public. He said
they were "vague," and suggested that the factions get together and work out
an acceptable regulation.

Voting with Brower and McClain to reject the regulation was Sen. Dean
Rhoads, R-Tuscarora. Supporting the regulation was Sen. Joe Neal, D-North
Las Vegas, and Assemblywoman Genie Ohrenschall, D-Las Vegas.

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I think as Homoeopaths we have been too quiet for too long. We have seen
allopaths take over the health of the nations across the world and ruin it
and stood by the side lines and done NOTHING. We have lost homoeopathic
hospitals and clinics. In short we are losing ground despite greater and
greater numbers coming to see homoeopaths, the allopaths are bringing new
laws and regulations to curtail the use of homoeopathy.

That is why if we are convinced of our ground and the truth of what we say
we have to struggle for it and not lie down and play dead.

Once all arguments and evidence is rubbished by these guys who cannot see
beyond the ends of their noses, then the only option is a practical trial -
and a painful re-proving is the best! As Richard M Nixon once said, "When
you have their balls in your hand, their heart and soul soon follows."

Of the vociferous beginners who were anti, we have now one person who has
accepted to take part in the re-proving. I am now waiting for his local
supervising Homoeopath to agree to it too.

Two others have also indicated that they too accept the challenge. But so
far they have been silent after receiving the re-proving protocol.

One Prof has Refused to take part in the proving!

I'll keep you posted with the developments.

Regards
Soroush

Hi,
Just a quick thought ...if the Nevada medical board contest that
Homeopaths will be administering controlled substances...
how would they prove it with the scientific given that we are using
dilutions above and beyond Avogardo's number
therefore we will be administering not a single molecule of said
substance ??

hmm I like to see them get out of that one
yes I agree with Sourosh about the apparent silence of our profession in
the face of such onslaughts...
but as the Chinese saying goes 'what cares the mountain for the howling
of the wind, he will not bow his head'

It is disturbing that we are not progressing but seem to be returning to
the days where homeopathic therapy practioners are being hounded for
desiring the greater good of their fellow man , and we are being asked
to return any power we have to the allopathic monopoly.

They only have power if we only give them power, revel in your
uniqueness do not return to the sheep-fold, fight on for your belief
a day at a time, a case at a time, show the world through your practice
that we are not misguided and support our fellow vitalists in their
endeavours.

Do we really need the official stamp of recognition from a 'dead'
medical system? If they cannot and will not support the easing of suffering
by insisting on medical aid to the less fortunate during our current
epidemics (AIDS etc) of what use is their empty approval? As I've said
before we must strive to create a dynamic medicine to breathe life back
into a world devoid of hope, and impress upon the hearts and minds of
future generations that what we prepose is ecologically sound, cheap,
gentle and effective medicine to be available for all as opposed to the
current practice of unethical standards and emotional blackmailing of an
avarice-ridden pharmaceutical industry and its medical cronies.
I am not totally ignorant of the advances made by the use of new
technology in the surgical arena and it is this probaly the reason most
of the establishment beats its collective chest in pride over, with just
cause. But what good is it to let your patients get into such a
pathological state that such drastic intervention is necessary? It is
this imbalance in the development of the established medical system that
is driving the patients into our awaiting hands. (Yes you can build up
your arms and Chest muscles to bench press large weights but, what good
is it if you cannot lift the same weights because your legs give way
under the pressure when in a realistic situation?) It is this feeling of
failure in the therapeutic arena
that the allopathic practioner that enrages them so, how dare we succeed
when they have failed to move with the patients needs and the
requirements of our times.

As many of our predecessors have said in so many ways

KEEP THE FAITH, HANG IN THERE

Jas

Dear All,

I find the debate about the re-proving with sceptics and the info about the Nevada conflict both interesting and disturbing. The positions presented here represent the age old conflicts not only with homeopathy but so many other non-mainstream situations.

My understanding, which tries to include a historical perspective, is that homeopaths may prefer to take the high moral ground but that is not what wins success in a cultural climate like ours. The battle between allopathy and homeopathy was not fought through clinical experience and success in the early years of the 19c. It was fought with money and a tight political organization that played politics to the hilt. If clinical experience was the deciding factor, homeopathy would have won thumbs down without a struggle. The early AMA experience was very concerned about the success of homeopathy in the USA and clearly saw homeopathy as a true competitor to its barbary.

I watched the struggle to create social change in the 1960-70's with all the in-fights between groups as to who had the right paradigm for change and whose tactics were more valid than whose. I saw the divisivenes that the Movement created for itself and how it was weakened by its own infighting. It became almost impossible to evaluate the infilatration of bogus information because of this. All this to say that we better learn from history or we are doomed to repeat it, as they say.

In our efforts to acheive success, I think we need to be able to allow different approaches as part of the whole. every movement for change has always been a compilation of different tactics and strategies. what is most important, i feel, is that we maintain a broad perspective that can allow for this variation of efforts. And then there is also the need to be flexible in our approaches to meet different situations with different stategies/tactics.

And along with this, we need to organize politically. This is the arena within which we will gain legitimacy. The chiropractic association spent 10 years in a legal battle with the AMA, ASA and ? before they won a battle against the abuse of their profession by the medical profession.

tanya

This is exactly so, but we do not know what they are exactly accusing
Homoeopaths of administering.

If a homoeopath uses herbal extracts (Bach remedies) and even mother
tinctures or low potencies then we are dealing with real substances that can
be tested for.

Nonetheless, this why as a last resort one has to challenge these guys that
deny Homoeopathy to a re-proving.

I am sending your comments to the person who sent me the article. THANK
YOU.
Regards
Soroush

Money brings power. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!!

I have been forwarding you some mails from Betty Martini regarding Aspartame
(Nutrasweet, Equal; Canderel).

Because King's College London are doing some research on the links between
aspartame and brain tumour when she was in London last year she went to see
them. The year before she has emailed them a long list of articles from
various journals on the effects of this poison that is now being consumed by
the health conscientious masses!.

Any way when I met her last year in London she had a suitcase with her. She
asked me if I knew what was in it? I said I guess it contains your things
for your stay.

No - she said. It is full of the original papers I had introduced to King's
College last year but when they tried to obtain them through the UNIVERSITY
inter-library service, they were UNAVAILABLE. (It is unbelievable!!)

Of course if you embarrass a large company like Monsanto with a product that
is worth $1B+ per year, then they are going to fight you. And they will
fight you mean and dirty. "It is just business old boy!"

When a surgeon picks up his scalpel, MEDICINE has failed. So the medics
cannot take any feathers from advances in surgery.

What Homoeopathy is doing in Europe and USA is nothing compared to
conventional medicine (a bit like a flea scratching the back of camel).
Nonetheless they want us out of the picture. We have to stand together,
ensure we are ALL properly trained to a high standard and that any
homoeopath on the list is of such a calibre that we would be prepared to
send our own nearest and dearest to them for treatment. That should be the
criteria when they are licensed to practise and not "what a high failure
rate would do to our college's name."

Rgds
Soroush