more..........Vaccination & Homeopathicprophylaxis
Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 9:35 pm
something I share with my classes & email list participants & those that
email me.
There are a few out there who advocate mass homeopathic 'vaccination' -
used routinely.
I DON'T agree with this in this way nor do the homeopaths I have studied
with and continue to study with.
If a disease is nearby and you are at risk and you are really concerned -
ie smallpox, pertussis, etc, then often homeopathy can be used temporarily in
that instance. I have already posted information on homeoprophylaxis in
that type of situation.
That is NOT this.
Here are the things you can do for the threat of an acute disease in an
epidemic:
1. Treat constitutionally to decrease susceptibility and risk - best in my
opinion
2. Wait and treat on the individual symptom picture that you have or
develop - next best
3. Find the genus epidemicus (I have/will post more on this). This is the
remedy that seems to fit most of the people in your area in THIS particular
instance of the epidemic (not last years or in the past, but this one) 3rd
best
4. Use nosodes or remedies that have worked in past epidemics - least
desirable
Each of the above has its applications depending on your situation. It is
also good to have a homeopath to work with on this.
I give you this information so you know about it, but again I DON'T agree
with this.-
Isaac Golden
http://www.lyghtforce.com/HomeopathyOnl ... golden.htm
Isaac Golden
********
My comments to someone on vaccinations list questioning this...........
And it is in error in my opinion and those I study with and know.
And I will speak out every time I see this type of thing posted. I cannot
be silent. You of course can do what you will,
If you really comprehend homeopathy and its laws and principles it would
never enter into your mind to do such a thing. The list of things he gives
children is appalling to me. How does he know it prevented an illness -
children are exposed to things all the time and don't get them - chicken
pox, pertussis, colds, flu, etc. I just don't believe in disease and germs
and bacteria and viruses as allopaths and it appears Dr. Golden do. It is
not about preventing all of the supposed 'diseases'. Symptoms are just the
body's way of dissipating a disturbance. A group of symptoms is classified
by allopaths into a tidy name such as pertussis. But your 'pertussis' and
my 'pertussis' may be something totally different - a few similar symptoms
but many different. The different ones are often the key to prescribing a
homeopathic remedy IF needed (and I say IF as it is not always). He may
have so disturbed these children's vital force or immune systems, that they
could not produce symptoms which is not good - just one possibility. If
you understood the POWER of these remedies you would NEVER do such a thing.
I take a remedy with EXTREME caution - am not quick to take them as I KNOW
from experience how powerful they are. It is ludicrous for a homeopath to
think in such an allopathic way.
I encourage you to study homeopathy and you would understand what I mean.
It is the same in my opinion as a doctor or person:
1. Thinking that they'll take antibiotics preventatively so they never get
sick - an allopath would object to that
Classical homeopaths object to so-called homeopathic vaccination
Do you think a medical doctor should just go along with that idea just
because one other medical doctor thinks it works. Just because a parent
wants to do it. Do you think a classical homeopath should just go along
with the idea of 'homeopathic vaccination' just because one person who says
he's a homeopath says you should and just because a parent wants to?
No, there are laws and principles to homeopathy just as there are in
nature. You jump from a third story window, you will go down and not up.
Law of gravity. It is the same with homeopathy. You just can't make it
what you want to. Granted, we don't know everything about how homeopathy
works and certainly new viewpoints are worthy of looking at but the idea of
'homoepathic vaccination' is just NOT homeopathy. Is just not viable for
the long term for sure, and more than likely for most for the shortterm.
If I can say one thing that is important, and I've said it again and again,
you have to research enough about vaccines, disease, alternate views on
disease, alternate view on life, programming and brainwashing of us, etc.
to finally come to the conclusion that bacteria and germs and viruses DO
NOT cause disease. They are the result of disease or the problems that are
associated with 'them' are the result of disease.
Once you GET this, you don't have a fear and you don't feel a need to
prevent things in this way.
Some of Jim West's stuff is very helpful.
http://www.geocities.com/harpub
*********
From Will Taylor, MD, Homeopath
Sheri
I just describe this as a "me-too" attempt at mimicking conventional
medicine. That the whole concept of generating artificial immunity to a
disease belongs to allopathy, & not to us. & That what we *do* have, all of
our own, are (1) homoeoprophylaxis - short-term interventions to assist the
body in making the most functional response possible to the disease, but not
to side-step around the process of developing the kind of natural immunity
that only embracing and effectively dealing with the real disease can offer;
and (2) effective means of addressing these childhood diseases with acute
homoeopathic treatment, should they require that.
Most folks who come to me wanting "homeopathic vaccination" want something
to satisfy third parties - schools, camps, grandparents. So that it can be
written down as meeting somebody else's requirements. Informing them that
the "authorities" will not accept this as a substitute usually diverts the
question.
----------------------------------------
Will Taylor, MD
homoeopathic website at
http://www.simillibus.com
*********
And from Steve Waldstein
No I haven't written anything. I just describe it as an allopathic approach
to using homeopathic remedies and that there is no evidence that it works.
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 South Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
303-338-1776
steve@homeopathy-cures.com
Web: http://homeopathy-cures.com
********
From Phyllis Georgic, Homeopath on the vaccinations list.....
Homeopathic Nosodes are not all that great as vaccines unless you know that
there is an epidemic in the area or that you have been exposed to a disease.
Homeopathic remedies don't last as a preventative for too long,....maybe 6
to 8 weeks for a 200c. ...............But I have used Pertussin 200c or 30c
when a child has whooping cough. I most often notice that giving the
remedy that suits the situation of symptoms is much better.
But the effects of the remedy do not last very long. This is the same for
"homeopathic vaccines" used as nosodes.
The scheduled method of allopathic vaccines is not based on science, only
on the pharmacuetical industry's wish to sell their products. They just
happen to have the approval of the goverenment and therefore, can make us
all believe that only through continued vaccination that we can "wipe out
all diseases". There is no science in any of this theory.
email me.
There are a few out there who advocate mass homeopathic 'vaccination' -
used routinely.
I DON'T agree with this in this way nor do the homeopaths I have studied
with and continue to study with.
If a disease is nearby and you are at risk and you are really concerned -
ie smallpox, pertussis, etc, then often homeopathy can be used temporarily in
that instance. I have already posted information on homeoprophylaxis in
that type of situation.
That is NOT this.
Here are the things you can do for the threat of an acute disease in an
epidemic:
1. Treat constitutionally to decrease susceptibility and risk - best in my
opinion
2. Wait and treat on the individual symptom picture that you have or
develop - next best
3. Find the genus epidemicus (I have/will post more on this). This is the
remedy that seems to fit most of the people in your area in THIS particular
instance of the epidemic (not last years or in the past, but this one) 3rd
best
4. Use nosodes or remedies that have worked in past epidemics - least
desirable
Each of the above has its applications depending on your situation. It is
also good to have a homeopath to work with on this.
I give you this information so you know about it, but again I DON'T agree
with this.-
Isaac Golden
http://www.lyghtforce.com/HomeopathyOnl ... golden.htm
Isaac Golden
********
My comments to someone on vaccinations list questioning this...........
And it is in error in my opinion and those I study with and know.
And I will speak out every time I see this type of thing posted. I cannot
be silent. You of course can do what you will,
If you really comprehend homeopathy and its laws and principles it would
never enter into your mind to do such a thing. The list of things he gives
children is appalling to me. How does he know it prevented an illness -
children are exposed to things all the time and don't get them - chicken
pox, pertussis, colds, flu, etc. I just don't believe in disease and germs
and bacteria and viruses as allopaths and it appears Dr. Golden do. It is
not about preventing all of the supposed 'diseases'. Symptoms are just the
body's way of dissipating a disturbance. A group of symptoms is classified
by allopaths into a tidy name such as pertussis. But your 'pertussis' and
my 'pertussis' may be something totally different - a few similar symptoms
but many different. The different ones are often the key to prescribing a
homeopathic remedy IF needed (and I say IF as it is not always). He may
have so disturbed these children's vital force or immune systems, that they
could not produce symptoms which is not good - just one possibility. If
you understood the POWER of these remedies you would NEVER do such a thing.
I take a remedy with EXTREME caution - am not quick to take them as I KNOW
from experience how powerful they are. It is ludicrous for a homeopath to
think in such an allopathic way.
I encourage you to study homeopathy and you would understand what I mean.
It is the same in my opinion as a doctor or person:
1. Thinking that they'll take antibiotics preventatively so they never get
sick - an allopath would object to that
Classical homeopaths object to so-called homeopathic vaccination
Do you think a medical doctor should just go along with that idea just
because one other medical doctor thinks it works. Just because a parent
wants to do it. Do you think a classical homeopath should just go along
with the idea of 'homeopathic vaccination' just because one person who says
he's a homeopath says you should and just because a parent wants to?
No, there are laws and principles to homeopathy just as there are in
nature. You jump from a third story window, you will go down and not up.
Law of gravity. It is the same with homeopathy. You just can't make it
what you want to. Granted, we don't know everything about how homeopathy
works and certainly new viewpoints are worthy of looking at but the idea of
'homoepathic vaccination' is just NOT homeopathy. Is just not viable for
the long term for sure, and more than likely for most for the shortterm.
If I can say one thing that is important, and I've said it again and again,
you have to research enough about vaccines, disease, alternate views on
disease, alternate view on life, programming and brainwashing of us, etc.
to finally come to the conclusion that bacteria and germs and viruses DO
NOT cause disease. They are the result of disease or the problems that are
associated with 'them' are the result of disease.
Once you GET this, you don't have a fear and you don't feel a need to
prevent things in this way.
Some of Jim West's stuff is very helpful.
http://www.geocities.com/harpub
*********
From Will Taylor, MD, Homeopath
Sheri
I just describe this as a "me-too" attempt at mimicking conventional
medicine. That the whole concept of generating artificial immunity to a
disease belongs to allopathy, & not to us. & That what we *do* have, all of
our own, are (1) homoeoprophylaxis - short-term interventions to assist the
body in making the most functional response possible to the disease, but not
to side-step around the process of developing the kind of natural immunity
that only embracing and effectively dealing with the real disease can offer;
and (2) effective means of addressing these childhood diseases with acute
homoeopathic treatment, should they require that.
Most folks who come to me wanting "homeopathic vaccination" want something
to satisfy third parties - schools, camps, grandparents. So that it can be
written down as meeting somebody else's requirements. Informing them that
the "authorities" will not accept this as a substitute usually diverts the
question.
----------------------------------------
Will Taylor, MD
homoeopathic website at
http://www.simillibus.com
*********
And from Steve Waldstein
No I haven't written anything. I just describe it as an allopathic approach
to using homeopathic remedies and that there is no evidence that it works.
Steve Waldstein RSHom (NA)
Classical Homeopathy, Inc.
2600 South Parker Road #1-313
Aurora, CO 80014 USA
303-338-1776
steve@homeopathy-cures.com
Web: http://homeopathy-cures.com
********
From Phyllis Georgic, Homeopath on the vaccinations list.....
Homeopathic Nosodes are not all that great as vaccines unless you know that
there is an epidemic in the area or that you have been exposed to a disease.
Homeopathic remedies don't last as a preventative for too long,....maybe 6
to 8 weeks for a 200c. ...............But I have used Pertussin 200c or 30c
when a child has whooping cough. I most often notice that giving the
remedy that suits the situation of symptoms is much better.
But the effects of the remedy do not last very long. This is the same for
"homeopathic vaccines" used as nosodes.
The scheduled method of allopathic vaccines is not based on science, only
on the pharmacuetical industry's wish to sell their products. They just
happen to have the approval of the goverenment and therefore, can make us
all believe that only through continued vaccination that we can "wipe out
all diseases". There is no science in any of this theory.