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what is classical?

Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 1:33 am
by Didi Ananda Rucira
Dear all,

Sheri wrote in context of another thread-
find that classical.

DISCLAIMER: Now, Sheri, please don't take this email amiss. Your sentence triggered the following commentary, which, I want you to know, I am NOT directing to, or criticizing, you. It's just that your comment made me want to spout out my opinions.

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Classical dance Classical Greek art Classical music- are all defined by timeframes and style. Everything from Bach to Vivaldi is lumped into "classical".

Now, this word "classical" in homeopathy has always stumped me. What is classical? Is it a dateline limit in history? Where do we draw the line between "classical" and..... other (neo?, non? anti-? what?) Are homeopaths of, eg, pre-1850 "classical" and post 1930 "neo classic"?
;-)

Swan, a direct disciple of Hahnemann discovered nosodes. Does that make him "classical" or "non-classical"?

Hahnemann used naturopathy, magnets, mezmerism, diet in his treatment. So are these things included or excluded in "classical"?

Bohninghausen came up with CLAMS and one often can prescribe easily and effectively using that alone on the phys-gens. Is it "classical?"

Does "classical" mean Kent who never read the 6th edition?
Or is "classical" solely using the LM's?
and what about the rest of us using 30's and 200's- "pre-classical"?
And what about high potencies?

Not to mention the French and their D series?

Reading "The Prescriber", Clarke often gave "minimum doses" of MT, grains, drams, minums of substances. He also gave naturopathic advice at times. Was he not "classical"?

Must it be "constitutional" to be "classical"?

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To me: simillium, minimum and simple is "classic"; and "rapid, gentle and permanent" remain the guiding principle.

So, if strep nosode fits the bill, why not?
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At Abha Light, in the past, we've had some very unfortunate incidents where so-called "classical" volunteers gave so-called "classical" prescriptions for acute diseases. The outcomes were damaging to say the least.

What I'm trying to say on this Most Very Classical of mailing lists, is that I think too many homeopaths confuse "classical" with "constitutional" and I think there are many who believe "constitutional prescribing" is the only Truth Way and Light of "real" homeopathy.

My opinion: it is not. I think there's a lot of good homeopathy NOT being taught in the name of protecting "classical".

It seems to me that a true "classicist" should treat and acute disease acutely. Had the *so-called* "classical" vol. homeopaths correctly taken into account the virulent infectious nature of the disease, the outcomes would have been different.

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Sorry, everyone, if my perspective is tilted - in Kenya, we often don't -for various reasons -go into "classical" (sic) treatment. We find a similium on the physical-generals and take it from there.....

A large part of our (collective ALF) practice is still dealing, basically, with various acute, subacute infections and supressed infections.

And when needed, effective CLAMS-style helps us treat 50-100 patients a day on a mobile clinic.

And yes, no doubt too, we do treat constitutionally those constitiutional/chronic diseases. But still fortunately for Africans, allopathic iatrogenic diseases are around since only 1 generation, not like the industrialised countries where iatrogenesis has polluted for generations. Many of these chronic cases are relatively easier to treat.
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director, Abha Light
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Re: what is classical?

Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 4:40 am
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Didi,
Your experience "on the front lines" is IMO so valuable for us to keep
hearing about! Whether it lets us pat our backs or wince. Can you
clarify:
I do think that equating "constitutional" with "classical" is simply an
error.
Hahnemann gave acute remedies for what he judged to be acute
diseases--and how much more "classical" than that can you get? And the
term "constitutional" is a bit dangerous in itself, as different people
use it in different ways...

Sounds good to me.

If it's chosen based on the "prescribing picture", then the choice is
classical anyway...

Can you give an example or two?
Thanks!
Shannon

Re: what is classical?

Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 4:42 am
by muthu kumar
Thanks Didi Ananda for sharing your approach and experience.
I guess for classical people non-classical is Neanderthal ;-)

I agree with your approach wholeheartedly. I have also worked in
practices where we need to say 50, 60 patients a day. Key notes and
sometimes minor repertorization would help us. NBWS was one of the
main aetiological pointer to a prescription as was what triggered
something. Clinical therapeutics and general modalities of a remedy
helped us. It is when something keeps recurring and takes a while to
go, that we give more time and have a separate case taking for that.
Common medicines were probably less than 100 medicines and we could
tackle most of the cases with that...

and as you mentioned acutes are treated with acute
prescriptions.When a patient had an acute pain we were not trying to
get the mother's core delusion ....

What is your experience with infections? Why don't you write about
some of the ones that you saw and treated and what guidelines helped
you with them? Should be interesting to note...

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Didi Ananda Rucira
wrote:
don't
sentence triggered the following commentary, which, I want you to
know, I am NOT directing to, or criticizing, you. It's just that
your comment made me want to spout out my opinions.
defined by timeframes and style. Everything from Bach to Vivaldi is
lumped into "classical".
What is classical? Is it a dateline limit in history? Where do we
draw the line between "classical" and..... other (neo?, non? anti-?
what?) Are homeopaths of, eg, pre-1850 "classical" and post
1930 "neo classic"?
make him "classical" or "non-classical"?
treatment. So are these things included or excluded in "classical"?
easily and effectively using that alone on the phys-gens. Is
it "classical?"
classical"?
grains, drams, minums of substances. He also gave naturopathic
advice at times. Was he not "classical"?
gentle and permanent" remain the guiding principle.
incidents where so-called "classical" volunteers gave so-
called "classical" prescriptions for acute diseases. The outcomes
were damaging to say the least.
lists, is that I think too many homeopaths confuse "classical"
with "constitutional" and I think there are many who
believe "constitutional prescribing" is the only Truth Way and Light
of "real" homeopathy.
NOT being taught in the name of protecting "classical".
disease acutely. Had the *so-called* "classical" vol. homeopaths
correctly taken into account the virulent infectious nature of the
disease, the outcomes would have been different.
don't -for various reasons -go into "classical" (sic) treatment. We
find a similium on the physical-generals and take it from there.....
basically, with various acute, subacute infections and supressed
infections.
patients a day on a mobile clinic.
constitiutional/chronic diseases. But still fortunately for
Africans, allopathic iatrogenic diseases are around since only 1
generation, not like the industrialised countries where iatrogenesis
has polluted for generations. Many of these chronic cases are
relatively easier to treat.

Re: what is classical?

Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:25 am
by Sheri Nakken
At 02:42 AM 5/30/2006 -0000, you wrote:

Again, this has nothing to do with what my response about classical was about
It ws about routine use of staph or strep nosodes because you 'think' that
staph or strep 'caused' the problem

Of course acutes are treated separate.................of course nosodes are
use when indicated, often as intercurrents.........of course
but not routine use of a nosode because its name matches what we guess the
'cause' to be
Sheri
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Re: what is classical?

Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:33 am
by Joy Lucas
What I would like to know is who is teaching this method whereby you
match a so called strep throat with a strep nosode. If you follow this
kind of thinking through the dangers are evident and have nothing to do
with homeopathy. Joy

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Re: what is classical?

Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 1:44 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Who's teaching the method? That I have no idea about, but we've seen
over and over and over and over on the lists that it is a *common*
first-thought--a first-thought that some will go with and others will
dismiss unless the symptom pictures match. If we're prescribing based
on presumed causation (the "germ" involved) that is certainly isopathy
rather than homeopathy.
Shannon
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