obsession with disease

[myirishenergy]

An update on the man that has the obsession with disease and
vertigo.... the Arg-N did nothing and so far the Nux looks like it's
not doing anything either. I am disappointed about that because I
thought for sure the Nux would do it.
I wanted to wait out another few days and see but so far it looks like
it's a no go - no change.
So my next try is an LM03 of Ignatia.
Hopefully that will do the trick. fingers crossed.
Emily

[Chris_Gillen]

When so many "hurried" prescriptions have failed to bring order into a case,
most homoeopaths stop and wait, and let the Vital Force adjust to the latest
circumstances. Sac lac here in this instance, could be the simillimum for
now. Hahnemann used a LOT of it to give him a chance to see exactly where
the patient was at any given stage in treatment. It could be that Phosphorus
IS the right remedy for your patient but it sounds like your case has been
messed up and confused by so many hurried repetitions, and many other
remedies as well, and the only reasonable thing to do is stop and let things
settle. More is not better. Even Boenninghausen nearly killed his own son
through over-repetititon of the same remedy that at a later stage, saved his
son's life. He was forced to wait several gruelling months in between
prescribing before the same remedy could be re-applied safely and to proper
effect. Best thing might be to stop and wait and let things settle and give
your patient's constitution and Vital Force a chance to show some decisive
symptoms. He might be obsessive and fearful, but that is rarely actually a
"life and death" scenario unless you yourself have been magnetized by him,
and/or maybe he is laying all responsibility for his personal situation and
life decisions at your feet, or you have something to prove in your own ego.
If you're still confused between Phosphorus, Arg nit, Ars, Nux vom etc then
it might be best to hand the case over to someone else. Most practitioners
would admit that we have all been there at some time in our careers, with
people who want us to take all responsibility for their lives, I certainly
have. You only need to experience it once or twice, and never again.
Best,
Chris.

[muthu kumar]

wise and excellent advice-

this "obsession" will always throw up different symtpoms - and even
if the patient says he / she is ok now after a prescription that
itself is part of their "psychodynamic" strategy- even then wait-

the approach is to see beyond these symptoms - throwing up so many
symptoms - IS the symptom.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Gillen"
wrote:
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[Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D.]

Yes, this is true -- throwing up so many symptoms IS the symptom. I'm
really curiouus. How would you repertorize this symptom of throwing up so
many symptoms?

Rosemary

[Joy Lucas]

trouble is, who is saying that there is so many sx, didn't seem that
way to me but anyway a number of reps will have this as a general sx
rubric under 'symptoms, many' - agar, tub, carc, med etc but there is
also 'symptoms constantly changing' - lots of rx. Best wishes, Joy

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D."
wrote:
up so

[andyh]

> Yes, this is true -- throwing up so many symptoms IS the symptom. I'm
so many symptoms?
((( Hi Rosemary. One rubric that could be considered when lots of
symptoms is a peculiar in a case (combined RU (5?) and Synthesis 9.1):

GENERALITIES - PHENOMENA - COMPLAINTS - diverse, many
AGAR.(3) Carc.(2) kali-i. merc. syph. tub.

Best
A

[Ellen Madono]

Hi Andy,
Where did you get that rubric? It's not in Radar 9.2.
Blessings,
Ellen
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[Robyn]

Rosemary wrote:

Yes, this is true -- throwing up so many symptoms IS the symptom. I'm
really curiouus. How would you repertorize this symptom of throwing up so
many symptoms?
Hi Rosemary --- hope you and yours are well

I think that from the info that has been given to us in this case, that the
production of symptoms would be easily covered in the rubrics --- anxiety
about one's own health --- and hypochondriasis --- as well as other anxiety
rubrics ---- and even possibly fear of death due to watching and nursing
someone to that point.
Hi Emily

re rems for this case:

I was reading Banerji's materia med on the issues of hypochondirasis, and
found that in his experience, if it is only digestive disturbances that
occur in this condition, then Asafoetida 6 often solves the problem ---
however, he mentions that Ignatia 200 is more indicated when there are more
neurotic disturbances than just digestive.

I would agree that 200th potency for Ignatia has been more successful for me
in my practice than other potencies.

He also makes a distinction between Aurum met 200 and Ignatia in this
condition, saying that in his experience, males respond better to Aurum than
to Ignatia, especially if there is a history of onanism and/or masturbation.

Here is a grouping of symptoms for Aurum from his Mat.med:

GROUP B - I
Neurotic persons with a history of onanism, masturbation.
Complains of vague symptoms, like indigestion and flatulence or pain in
abdomen of indefinite nature not related to food.
Complains of vague pains in limbs, sometimes in joints and sometimes in
muscles.
Not satisfied about stools. Describes their colours, or smells or consis-
tency, etc., in de - tails, which can be understood by an intelligent
physician to be of no importance.
Describes a small unimportant pimple or a vague dot on skin elaborately.
May be complaining about weakness, though apparently he is not weak.
Palpitations, etc.
Wants to narrate a long story about his ailments.
Hypochondriasis.
Any or all of the above mentioned complaints.
The subject is a young man between 20 and 35 years of age.
Banerji recommends a dose every 3 days, but of course, that also means to
watch for results and changes, and only continue with this pattern whilst
progress is being made.

I can see some similiarity with this case in the above group of symptoms ---
but am aware that we have not been given all the details of the case, so
can't really prescribe on the selective bits that are shared.

I have one more comment, and that is that if this man had vertigo all the
time, and it was real vertigo, then I would wonder how he would be getting
around, let alone play soccer. If you are meaning slight dizziness, then
that is different to vertigo. But even so, on that note, must mention that
Aurum 200 has been useful for vertigo that occurs with or without a history
of the diseases of ear or mastoid process.

Aurum is found in the following rubrics:

MIND - HYPOCHONDRIASIS
MIND - ANXIETY - hypochondriacal
MIND - FEAR - death, of

Arg nit 200 was mentioned, but mainly in relation to headaches and gastric
disturbances with hypochondriasis.

Just some thoughts that wanted to share

Best to all
Robyn
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[andyh]

> Hi Andy,
GENERALS - MANY SYMPTOMS
agar.ptk1 Carc.mlr1 kali-i.ptk1 merc.ptk1 syph.ptk1 tub.ptk1
Looks like SR Phatak introduced the rubric (if ptk1 is him).
Best,
A

[myirishenergy]

Dear Chris,
The remedies Ignatia, Nat Mur, Phos, Lyc all came from 2 years ago.
The most recent ones of the past 4 months is Phos, Arg-n and now the
Nux. Most recent are Arg-n and Nux.
I use 12C's and LM's. I've never in all the 10 years I've been
involved with Homeopathy seen a correct remedy go without showing
some sort of better energy or better well being in more than a week.
Three days tops and that's usually Lyc because it seems to come on
slow and stay a while. But like I said there's either a sense of
well being or not in a short amount of time whether the disease is
still there or not - just showing well being tells me I probably
have the correct rx and we wait from there.
I agree I've been hasty due to being sympathetic with his craziness
but I feel that 4 months of using Phos, Arg-n and now the Nux is not
too bad.
Since his problem started with the death of their Nephew, then I'm
going to go to the Ignatia LM03 and see how he does. Stick with
that for a while. I'll dose once and wait and see.
In the course of these previous remedies he's gotten rid of severe
heartburn, not being able to swallow food, gas, indigestion,
drinking too much alcohol - that's almost none existent - blood shot
eyes, numbness down arms into fingers, resentment of past hurts and
others I may be forgetting. What's left is this vertigo and
hypochondrism and they are so exaggerated it's making him a nervous
wreck.
I do know an incorrect remedy is unhomeopathic and using 12C's or
LM's is safer (for me), easier and more manageable but also there is
no remedy if incorrect.
The best antidote to the wrong rx is the correct one.
I appreciate any support or advise I can get about this situation.
Thanks again, Emily
into a case,
the latest
simillimum for
exactly where
Phosphorus
has been
other
let things
own son
saved his
between
to proper
and give
decisive
actually a
by him,
situation and
your own ego.
etc then
practitioners
careers, with
certainly
again.