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Could someone PLEASE explain to me why would a Homeopath prescribe a
multiple dose as.....
200C in this case Phos Acid - fill cap up with as many 200C's as you
can get in there and take one dose in pm and one in am.
This is NOT an acute situation.
I read somewhere on this list that this reduces aggravations but I've
never heard of dosing like this.
Could someone please explain.
Thanks, Emily

Hi Emily,
Filling the cap sounds like a throwback to the "size of dose doesn't
matter" belief (a mistake); usually it won't do any harm (except waste
some pills and perhaps increase chance of aggravation), but isn't
necessary. One (or if the person is relatively insensitive, perhaps
several) is sufficient; personally I often use 5-10 because I like it
better--don't lynch me, please! And have had no trouble with
that.)

Giving it twice (e.g. morning and evening) is commonly called a "split
dose" (tho some people, including some here, have strong objection to
the term; and the same term is also sometimes used for repeated water
potency doses, e.g. LMs; which also doesn't make sense to everyone, but
there it is!). The rationale is indeed that some have felt it reduces
the chance of aggravation. I don't know who first started this (Julian
knew, I'm sure!), but it's been around for I'm thinking maybe 50 years?
and is well accepted in some "classical" homeopathic circles. But I
don't have any personal experience to say yay or nay--I've done it and
had it work fine, but usually I don't, and that works fine too!
Best wishes,
Shannon
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I was taught ONE pellet does Not have the same potency as many pellets.
Each pellet is multiplied.
So what this is saying is 1 30C pellet or 10 30C pellets taken at the same time is the same potency?
I really would love to know more about this because I did not learn this way.
What's the reason someone would do this?
Thanks for replying, Emily

Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:
Hi Emily,
Filling the cap sounds like a throwback to the "size of dose doesn't
matter" belief (a mistake); usually it won't do any harm (except waste
some pills and perhaps increase chance of aggravation), but isn't
necessary. One (or if the person is relatively insensitive, perhaps
several) is sufficient; personally I often use 5-10 because I like it
better--don't lynch me, please! And have had no trouble with
that.)

Giving it twice (e.g. morning and evening) is commonly called a "split
dose" (tho some people, including some here, have strong objection to
the term; and the same term is also sometimes used for repeated water
potency doses, e.g. LMs; which also doesn't make sense to everyone, but
there it is!). The rationale is indeed that some have felt it reduces
the chance of aggravation. I don't know who first started this (Julian
knew, I'm sure!), but it's been around for I'm thinking maybe 50 years?
and is well accepted in some "classical" homeopathic circles. But I
don't have any personal experience to say yay or nay--I've done it and
had it work fine, but usually I don't, and that works fine too!
Best wishes,
Shannon
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Hi Ellen,
Well, "potency" has a technical meaning within the framework of
homeopathy, and also a common meaning. According to the common meaning
we could say that a larger dose has more potency, since if the dose is
sufficiently large *and* the sensitivity (including sensitivity to the
particular remedy) is sufficiently strong, then a too-large dose may
cause aggravation. (Similarly with too-frequent repetition.) So in
that context, "potency" simply means "strength".

But in the context of homeopathic remedies, "potency" means something
more specific. It refers to the number of times the remedy has gone
thru the dilute-and-succuss procedure which "unlocks" the curative
power of the substance. In that context, potency is exactly the same,
no matter the number of pellets, no matter the size of the dose, and
also no matter the frequency of repetition.

This might *seem* contradictory, but isn't really, because it turns out
that the difference in effect between potency (as referring to a
remedy) versus size-of-dose or frequency, is the more meaningful and
the more quantifiable. For a person of average sensitivity, for
instance, the difference in effect between a single pellet and a
capful--or even several capfuls--is likely to be negligible (that has
been my experience!); so, a difference of several hundredfold may be
insignificant. But the difference according to the number of steps of
potentization (potency) is apt to be much greater.

Does that make sense?
Best,
Shannon
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Dear Shannon

All the Masters INSTRUCT that the action of any prescription to be evaluated before the next dose is given.

You say that the repeated systems (night day etc / 'split dose' ) is accepted by some classical homs.

Firstly who are these homs and also can pls advise what is the approved/accepted evaluation technique that they use to allow the second part of the split dose.

Rgds
Soroush

***You lost me! LOL

For a person of average sensitivity, for
of

***Taking a capful of the same potency to me is like saying you can
take the whole bottle in one dose = It doesn't matter =
1 200C is the same as 10 or more 200C when taken at the SAME TIME.
Repeating this procedure, how does it act like a shovel and cut down on
aggravations?
This method isn't even mentioned in the Organon so I'd like to know how
or why someone would use it.
Thanks
Best, Emily

Hi Emily,
Sorry! Let's see if I can do better, after a night's sleep!
Two uses of the word "potency", but only *one* of them should be used
in the context of homeopathy. If you take a larger dose (for e.g.
multiple pills of a dry dose, or more drops or spoonsful of a liquid
dose) you will *in some cases* get a stronger response, hence from the
*non*homeopathic standpoint the larger dose might be said to have more
"potency" (i.e. to be stronger). However this is *not* appropriate
usage of the word "potency" in homeopathy; instead, we simply talk
about "size of dose". In some cases a larger dose will give a
noticeably stronger effect (especially with sensitive patients), but in
other cases the difference is negligible (e.g. personally, I can feel
the difference between a single tiny pellet and 15 [more "zing" to the
latter, but no problem], but haven't noticed any difference between,
say, 15 and 30, or even more).

I am *assuming* that you've associated "potency" with "size of dose"
simply because you've mentally translated the term into something more
familiar; I would be very surprised if any *teacher* of homeopathy
would use the term "potency" that loosely.

Are you familiar with the process of potentization--do you know, for
instance, how a 6c potency would be raised to a 12c potency? If not,
I'll explain, because I think that would clarify the difference for
you.
Yup. And that's exactly the position that many homeopaths have
taken--I think it was Kent that started that idea? My family's first
homeopath (about 9 years of wonderful help) was of that school, and our
remedies always came with the printed instructions to take the entire
vial for a dose. For my husband and myself this never presented any
problem at all, but for my then-toddler daughter it *did* present a
problem; the only two times she has ever aggravated (and she's now 16),
were the same two times as a toddler that I let her take the entire
vial just because she was so eager for the "treat". My homeopath
insisted that was just coincidence, but I no longer believe he was
right about that! She was in a very oversensitive state, and should
have had only a pellet, or at most a few.

So, while this ("size of dose doesn't matter") appears to be true (or
true enough) for *many* situations--patient not too sensitive and
remedy action not too "deep"(?)--it is not true for all situations, and
better for many reasons that we avoid unnecessary medication.
Shovel? I hadn't heard that analogy. The explanation I was given was
of pushing a car, or turning on a blender full of liquid--a quick
"pulse" before the main shove makes it act more smoothly. As usual
it's easy enough to poke at the analogy , I am only repeating
what I was told, and in any case the analogy is only an attempt to
explain what somebody thought they had been seeing. Is it *really*
less apt to cause aggravations? I have no idea, because as I said, I
haven't tested it out much, and haven't seen many aggravations in any
case.

Another explanation I've heard for the method is simply to lessen
chance of a single dose being interfered with thru being taken
improperly, or exposure to an antidoting influence. But IMO it is
simply enough to just give the patient guidelines, so I am not
enthusiastic about that reason...
Evidently one of those "empirical" things, of which there are many in
homeopathy!
I would say that in most cases it probably doesn't make much difference
one way or another; but that's just my own opinion, based upon my own
understanding of what I've read and seen.
Best wishes,
Shannon
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Hi Soroush,
I think, but cannot remember for certain, that it was Margery Blackie
who wrote about this "split dose"? I believe she is considered to be
firmly in the "classical" camp, tho no longer alive to defend her
practice.

Below:
It's one of the methods that was mentioned in my classes, and that I/we
read about in Ms. Blackie's little textbook (I forget the name). I
have heard the practice and the term referred to "here and there" in
the years since, but do not remember any details. It's just part of
the "terrain" of my early training--which was almost entirely
"classical".
Some prescribers will add the caveat, "If you feel a striking
improvement after the first (or second) dose, don't continue on to the
second (or third). Others add no such caveat, and actually I don't
remember Blackie saying anything about that (tho do not remember for
certain).

I have no interest in defending the method beyond what I've said, am
only trying to offer background in case it reassures the poster I was
responding to.
Shannon
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Shannon, No I don't know and I'd appreciate you telling me
Emily

how a 6c potency would be raised to a 12c potency? If not,

This same Homeopath gave a women "6 1M's every two hours for 6
hours".
Now this last case is "fill the cap with Phos Acid and take one dose
in pm and one in am".
Can you guess what the difference would be for each?

Thanks,Emily

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