Minutus

Dear Janice

I now have time to give you a fuller reply.

You are indeed correct two counts.
1- For quite some time homoeopathic remedies were proved and used undiluted. In fact Hahnemann discovered Homoeopathy after he had tried the extract of Cinchona officinalis. It produced malaria type symptoms in him and his friends and family when they all tried it and then he realised that was why it cured malaria.

2- Homeopathy is prescribed on the basis of symptom similarity - that is to say if a substance can cause disease symptoms in the symptom-less (healthy), then it can cure similar symptoms in the sick. See above.

Dr Hahnemann encountered a number of problems.
It was risky to try to prove poisons
The neat extracts of substances can cause the symptoms to worsen before they cause improvement.

So he embarked on a series of dilution programmes.
So FYI we have three series of potencies, those diluted in steps of 1/10 (D or X), 1/100 (C) and 1/50,000 (LM).

What he discovered is that as he diluted the medicinal effects of the substance became greater and started to touch on the emotional and mental aspects of the patients.

He also discovered that provings could be done on the diluted potentised substances, which enabled him to use all sort of substances from Arsenic to venoms.

And this is what I want to do with the volunteers from the sceptics camp. We will show you personally that you will be given a potentised substance that has been diluted past Av's number and that it has the ability to produce profound symptoms in the provers.

I hope that you will be brave enough to join the volunteers from your group who are all male. It is about time the female sex showed its bravery too.

As I said before, SUCK IT AND SEE. If it is just water or has no effect, then you have nothing to fear.
But if I am right, you WILL be sick (we hope for a short while only).

Take care and laugh somemore - it is good for your health.

But be careful, "He who laughs last, laughs longest!!"

Soroush

Hi Soroush

I have just got around to read your interesting mail on
provings. Can you use a 44 year old healthy male in South
Africa?

I'm quite willing to assist, because I believe in the healing
abilities of Homoeopathy.
God bless.

Anton
was why it cured malaria.
s reported symptoms. Then the diluted remedy (of the symptom causer) is given ... dependent of cou
rse on the type of the patient (is she Pulsatilla??!!)
s science based medicine's supposed "symptom" treating, there is more than a little irony here, no?

ee whether a substance diluted past Av's number is able to make them produce disease symptoms.
shahrdar@yahoo.com to receive a single daily digest.

Thank you Anton

But you are a homoeopath already and not a sceptic!

The idea here was not to go through a proper reproving, but to cause such a
physical discomfort that they would have to admit it.

Regards
Soroush

Dear Soroush,

Count me in as another more or less healthy male 'prover' living in the
'Isle of Wight'.

Best wishes

Hi Hugh

The idea is to produce some profound physical undeniable symptom in the
SCEPTIC re-provers and not to do a proper reproving.

Thanks for the offer though.

All the best
Soroush

Soroush >>
Recommending that people engage in human experimentation can expose you to
extreme liabilities. I suggest you stop this suggest that they take a
homeopathic remedy.
You can experiment on plants just as successfully, and that is a form
familiar to the MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT, where human experimentation is NOT.
Melanie Grims

But homoeopathic remedies have ALWAYS been proved on volunteer humans!!

How can a plant tell you it is jealous???

Rgds
Soroush

Yes, of course homeopathic remedies have always been proven on people. That
was one of Hahnemann's great innovations. But to suggest to a medical
establishment that DOES NOT use that in its protocol, is not going to get a
response. They don't have a protocol for this, so they will refuse it. Also,
plants can bring out physicals, and this is measurable. Our critics will be
able to monitor this by THEIR standards. Much has already been done to use
homeopathic remedie in traditional medical research models. Much has been
published and some of this is sponsored by BOIRON and published on their
sites.
I think this is a MUCH BETTER way of convincing the skeptics, because it uses
THEIR system to prove OUR medicine.
Melanie Grimes
In a message dated 12/6/01 10:09:43 AM, finrod@webstar.co.uk writes:
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Dear Melanie

Thank you for your comments.

I have a suggestion.
Pls send the information you have to prove Homoeopathy is real and work to
these guys and see what their reaction might be.
chasece@yahoo.com
dean@primenet.com
happydog@sympatico.ca
tjwheeler@louisville.edu
woeckner@Princeton.EDU
open copy me and blind copy minutus.

Certainly if they are convinced by your evidence, then I am saved from a big
task.

Regards and all the best
Soroush

In a message dated 12/6/01 1:08:10 PM, finrod@webstar.co.uk writes:

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Soroush,
I admire your fortitude. I have found that no amount of proof will convince
those who don't want to believe. Many of our opposers have financial
interests at stake- they make a lot of money from prescribing drugs. What is
in it for them to learn the truth? I think we only annoy them and convince
them of their rightness if we irritate. What is the similimum? Let them make
their patients sick with their methods, as Hahnemann did and hopefully that
will open their eyes.
Melanie