Thuja/Hot flashes

[myirishenergy]

I'm going to resubmit this hoping someone will have an idea.

What do you all think about Hot flashes and Thuja?
Patient has chronic sinusitis, all her life chronic bronchitis so much
that not being a smoker has caused her to have emphysema, white mucous
and warts. Has been on Carsinosin then Phos.
She is 55 yrs old and in menopause but the hot flashes are violent and
have been there for many years.
I realize sinus issues, gonorrhea, warts, hiding and mucous are all
tell tale
signs of needing thuja along with the small pox vaccine but how far do
we go with giving thuja if the mentals don't totally agree?
It's just the combination of things that makes me think she needs a
dose of thuja. Murphy's Repertory links Thuja to Hot Flashes.
Anyone have a need to give a Px thuja and what was your reason?
Thanks, Emily

[julie gillespie]

dear emily,

please seek the single BEST remedy, ok? find the rx that matches the
physical sx. the mentals won't be far.

best wishes,
julie
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Emily,
My rep has it as a (3)!
?? Do you mean that *being* a smoker has caused her to have emphysema,
or ??
Somewhere I read, "No one 'does phosphorus' like thuja!"
(Difference--phosphorus IS connecting with you, whereas thuja just
*appears* to be.) What effects did the carc and phos have, and how
well did they move things along for her?
Or possibly another sycotic remedy.
?? This vaccine was found to inflame the sycotic miasm, but do you
mean one might give potentized small pox vaccine to *treat* it? Was
she vaccinated for smallpox?
Thuja's mental picture is *all about* "elusive" and "putting up
appearances", so it might be hard to be certain that the mentals don't
fit... Someone (here? who?) remarked that "you will usually come to
prescribe thuja thru the physical symptoms, and even then you will
wonder...." In other words--the M/E picture of thuja can be difficult
to recognize--chameleons, put up a very convincing appearance, even tho
they aren't really connecting with it inside.

I would say that if the physicals seem to call for it, you should give
it! I would expect it to help significantly, even if another remedy
proves to be needed afterwards.
I've one who's a perfect M/E picture of thuja (secretive,
chameleon-like, extremely charming, presents the face that he knows
others *want* to see, but really has no sense of a stable "inner
self"--he has actually said this, but I already knew it to be true!
And oily skin and lankish hair, and a hard-to-define "something"... A
very appealing kid, but definitely got some issues.) Additionally his
just-prior remedy (some years back) was Med (wild energy swings; severe
lethargy; severe difficulty in concentrating; very "party" oriented),
which is very commonly followed by Thuja. (He hasn't actually *taken*
the thuja yet, last I heard...)
Best,
Shannon
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[Joy Lucas]

Dear Emily, I am not really sure what you are asking here. Very
difficult to help you confirm Thuja when we know little about the whole
case - but a few points

are you sure this is menopausal flushing and not perhaps something
associated with the bronchitis/emphysema type sx, i.e. forget the
classification of these flushes being menopausal and take note of the
characteristic sx of them instead - many many rx have flushes of heat
whether or not associated with the menopause

the heat associated with thuja isn't particularly strong although it
has a peculiarity of rising upwards - there is though a great deal of
perspiration (on uncovered parts) that has a strong odour often
sweetish, musty or like garlic but perspiration doesn't = heat - there
is burning but that is usually associated with pains

chronic bronchitis and emphysema type sx are much higher ranking than
possible menopausal sx, i.e. more life threatening, so what needs to be
cured here

are the warts important, does she have so many that they dominate the
case or just one or two

you wouldn't necessarily think of thuja with white mucous expectoration
- nearly always greenish

what do you mean by hiding - but again, many remedies have this quality

what has Carcinosin and Phos done for the case

how does the small pox vaccine fit in

can you say more about the mental sx or do you mean emotional or both

combination of states can sometimes be a short cut to groups of rx
ideas but you must take the case formally with graded sx, ranking,
location sensation extension, concomitant sx, modalities etc, an
understanding of what needs to be cured - all this important whatever
the case but even more so for someone who has emphysema. Best wishes,
Joy

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[myirishenergy]

Carsinosin worked wonderful then the Phos came into picture and that
worked well. Now she's stuck in this place where I can't totally tell
because of the "chameleon" type. you're right about that - this is why
I'm suspecious as to her needing Thuja. Possibly just peel away
something for me to get to whatever it is she is after Thuja has done
it's job.
Think I'll try a 6C and see what happens.
She has been vaccinated.
The emphysema is due to having bronchitis all her life - not smoking.
Thuja has chronic sinusitis, bronchitis, polyps, white,yellow,green
mucous, having been vaccinated especially with small pox, a hiding
person, warts, fibroids ::
she has it all just can't put my finger on the hidng person.
thanks for your input - It always helps )
Emily
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[myirishenergy]

Thank You Joy,
I thought the Carc and Phos would help the chronic sinusitis but it
didn't. Helped the Bronchitis so much she hasn't had it in a year.
Didn't touch the chronic sinusitis or Hot flashes.
I really think the Hot flashes are more than Menopausal.
The burning feeling on her skin, chronic sinusitis is still a
problem. She does sweat with the hot flashes and they go up.
Warts are not important to her. I asked to get a better picture.
But she does have warts.
I think I'll try it and see what happens.
don't think one dose of a small potency will hurt.
If anything, it will make her picture clearer for me to see.
I appreciate any input you have.
thanks,
Emily
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[Shannon Nelson]

I will be interested to hear what happens!
Shannon
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[Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D.]

Thuja is a very interesting presentation. They do often look like Phos --
but they have an image that they've decided is perfect, and that's what
you'll find out about with everything they say. Silica seems to be a bit
more conscious than Thuja of the how concerned they are about image. With
Thuja, they're convinced of the truth of every perfection they tell you
about. I've generally come to that remedy upon the realization that the
picture just doesn't add up to what they're saying (and one or two SRP
hints, generally) -- I trust people, generally, but if I leave an interview
with a gnawing sense of distrust of the accuracy of what they've said, Thuja
becomes a candidate. I don't feel they're lying -- just that they have
selectively persuaded themselves of what's true and what's not, sometimes
omitting or denying things that could make them seem less than totally
acceptable -- and not realizing they're doing that. It's a weird
presentation -- fascinating. The patient I'm thinking of now denied several
times that he'd every had anything show up on his skin -- asserting that he
and his sister had both had perfect, beautiful skin ever since birth
(they're in their 60s.).

I finally, after looking skeptical and asking again, got him to admit that
once he'd had a benign brown growth of some kind burned off his scalp. I
sat there quietly for what seemed like at least a minute or two, and said
nothing. So he added, "and they biopsy various warts and moles every year."
I said "That's on your skin!" He looked sheepish, and said "Oh, I thought
you meant OVER my skin." Turns out he's pretty covered with warts of various
descriptions, all on clothed parts! That clinched the prescription, which
up till then hadn't been so clear -- although Thuja (for prostate cancer)
was one definite possibility. Fascinating experience!

Rosemary

[Caro]

Cool case:-)
Caro.
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[Mary White]

Hi myirishenergy,
Have you considered Sepia which is related to Phos and Carc? It would cover ascending flushes, warts, sinusitis..
Mary White, Dublin