> How did cats survive in days before pet food?
They caught mice outside, and procreated in quantity to replace the
ones killed by antifreeze, dogs, cars, toxic plants, and other hazards.
Irene, how would this be different than today...especially since you endorse not spay/neutering cats until they are sexually active?? and the food you endorse is potentially toxic??
Marilyn
Cat Food (OT)
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Marilyn Wagner
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Re: Cat Food (OT)
Irene replied..."Early Last century yes, not this one."
and then went on to say...
"The results between 1985 and 2004 per JAVMA showed struvite 44% and oxalate 40% with struvite showing a sharp
increase per year. "
THANK YOU FOR AGREEING WITH ME IRENE!:)
At the end, Irene said "The homeopath needs to look at the individual case, remove
maintaining causes - such as drugs, fruits, vegetables and inadequate
animal protein."
Of course this is true! BUT!! you must interpret all of these maintaining causes accurately, not with interpretations that you, as the homeopath, put on them!
Marilyn
and then went on to say...
"The results between 1985 and 2004 per JAVMA showed struvite 44% and oxalate 40% with struvite showing a sharp
increase per year. "
THANK YOU FOR AGREEING WITH ME IRENE!:)
At the end, Irene said "The homeopath needs to look at the individual case, remove
maintaining causes - such as drugs, fruits, vegetables and inadequate
animal protein."
Of course this is true! BUT!! you must interpret all of these maintaining causes accurately, not with interpretations that you, as the homeopath, put on them!
Marilyn
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Re: Cat Food (OT)
On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:40 AM, Marilyn Wagner wrote:
No thanks - what she advocates is bad for cats. Unfortunately being
well-meant is not automatically the same as being knowledgeable about
a subject. (She has no scientific credentials listed either, such as
say zoology, cell physiology or other biological sciences at the
time.)
Again, too bad that you will not take the time to read and absorb info other than your skewed interpretations of research. Knowledge is not simply about reading research and putting your own tilt on it. Knowledge is about reading from multiple sources and being able to pull the helpful info from the "chaff". Being so closed minded and egotistical as to believe that your credentials and what you say is "the word" is just so sad, for you and the animals you treat.
I will not embark on this "conversation" anymore. I'm sure that I have tied up the paths of CONSTRUCTIVE conversations long enuf. Back to lurking and learning!:) Thanks to all on this list who have put up with this digression!:)
Marilyn
No thanks - what she advocates is bad for cats. Unfortunately being
well-meant is not automatically the same as being knowledgeable about
a subject. (She has no scientific credentials listed either, such as
say zoology, cell physiology or other biological sciences at the
time.)
Again, too bad that you will not take the time to read and absorb info other than your skewed interpretations of research. Knowledge is not simply about reading research and putting your own tilt on it. Knowledge is about reading from multiple sources and being able to pull the helpful info from the "chaff". Being so closed minded and egotistical as to believe that your credentials and what you say is "the word" is just so sad, for you and the animals you treat.
I will not embark on this "conversation" anymore. I'm sure that I have tied up the paths of CONSTRUCTIVE conversations long enuf. Back to lurking and learning!:) Thanks to all on this list who have put up with this digression!:)
Marilyn
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Re: Cat Food (OT)
I feel the need to add a bit more commentary to the prior emails of what's
in "Chicken Meal" as a cat food ingredient.
One poster suggested "chicken meal" contains pigs, roadkill, restaurant
grease, diseased and dead animals and zoo creatures etc which of course is
not true, it has only chicken finely ground.
What is relevant in the pet food industry is that dead animals of various
kinds DO get into pet food, but only as generic ingredients from a
"rendering" plant. A rendering plant is a place where animal remains are
cooked up into a soup for sale as supposedly usable protein
allowed for use in pet foods by the FDA, and grabbed by big conglomerates
as a way to get rid of waste.
So while "chicken meal" and any other specific species meal like fish meal
or beef meal or lamb meal has none of it, pet food may well have all sorts
of junk inside "rendered" ingredients, which then have generic names like
"meat meal", "Animal meal", "by-product meal", and "poultry meal".
The trick is to know what is rendered and what is not, as "rendered" is
not on the label. The above examples of *generics* are typical however, of
rendered ingredients. All "by-product" ingredients are also rendered.
It is a complex and involved industry and the discussion I started was
only intended to cover the specific food I recommended - in which there
is chicken meal, fish meal and egg, but no rendered ingredients, and no
no pigs, roadkill, zoo animals or restaurant grease in it.
I repeat that ProPac food meets *human* export food standards - there is
no rendering of anything in any of their products. However I recommend
ONLY one of their products - NOT all of them - just the kitten dry food. I
suggest it for dogs too (with dog-appropriate additions like pumpkin,
spinach, fish oil, rice bran and berries and any other good meat, fish or
egg) as the dog food situation is even worse than the cat food situation
when it comes to good protein - though one dog owner pointed out to me
that if his dog's friends found out he was eating kitten food, he'd
totally lose his "street cred"
The complexity of the pet food industry is completely confusing to the
consumer and I'd left all that out as this is a homeopathy site rather
than a cat health site and because I feel that unless the homeopath is
prepared to do many *months* of work to understand the issues - it can
confuse things a lot. We have hardly scratched the surface here so far.
I have remained - on purpose for those reasons - with the discussion of
the food I recommend as best available - and the reasons I choose it -
plus the relatively poor 2nd choices if one is forced to use them.
I also debunked the supposed goodness of a few specific foods on
request - in hopes of helping folks know some things to look for, and
alluded to a food checklist I have developed for the purpose. These are
all positive approaches which I chose rather than to discuss details of
the abhorrent practices of the majority in the pet food industry.
Perhaps that was a mistake - perhaps people need to at least have a
feel for what is going on behind the scenes, without perhaps detailed
discussion of those details - but just to know they exist and how to
avoid them.
Perhaps then, my biggest error of omission could be considered the
ingredients which have been "rendered". I consider that nobody should ever
buy a food that has a rendered ingredient.
I'll explain why rendered ingredients are a no-no.
"Rendering" may be involved (and usually is) in generic ingredients like
"meat meal", "animal by-products", "tallow" "anything containing
"by-products" etc - so anywhere a single species is not identified, or
if "by-product" occurs even with a single species - and then it is a
mixology of leftover animal bits and pieces.
Rendering plants are places that take in "animal waste" from multiple
sources, and cook it up to supposedly extract usable nutrient results. The
big problem here is not so much that they include road-kill (which MIGHT
theoretically be edible healthy protein at the outset or after boiling
long enough to destroy micro-organisms - emphasis on MIGHT) - but that
they include euthanised animals such as from vet clinics, shelters and
farms including potentially huge volumes of cats and dogs in one batch -
thus with these all potentially ending up in one batch of pet food.
People worry about the micro-organisms in the dead creatures - but those
are nearly all (but not all) destroyed in the heating process. A few have
been shown to survive but it is unnusual. However more importantly - it
includes the toxins used in euthanasia and those are NOT removed by
heating.
Pets can get very sick or die from eating pet food from a batch containing
a large batch of euthanized animals.
Yet Pet food companies use this rendered slush and proudly say they are
involved in beneficial recycling. But they are feeding dead cats to live
cats, along with euthasnasia chemicals. We already know what happened
when dead cows were fed to cows.... and there are feline prion diseases
already known too (eg. feline spongiform encephalopathy). So rendered
ingredients are certainly to be avoided in pet foods.
How to do it?
Avoid foods containing in the ingredients list, words like "by-product",
"gluten" or anything generic (meat meal, tallow, poultry meal etc - where
one specific species is not identified) and know the worst offenders:
The worst offenders for using this slush - I'd rather call it toxic sludge
- are the big pet food conglomerates who are owned by human food chain
bigger conglomerates. This is because the human food chain manufacturers
want to get profits from the leftover junk they produce that is not
alllowed in human food - and from out of date human food such as meat and
fish complete with "unavoidable" wrappings of poloystyrene and saran wrap,
that all goes to rendering plants.
This profitable garbage fed to pets, is what is behind the takeover by
human food manufacturers, of pet food manufacturers.
Some examples (hence to be avoided as pet food makers):
Proctor and Gamble purchased Iams (who also brands Eukanuba and a lot of
supermarket brands) for $2.05 billion in 1999. In 2000 Mars Inc., which
already owned Kal Kan, Pedigree and Whiskas, acquired Royal Canin, a
French "premium" pet food company for $730 million. Nestle acquired
Ralston-Purina in 2001 for $10.3 billion, to become the “dominant force”
in the pet food industry with 45% of the market share.
So - It is big business to turn human food waste into "pet food".
There is NO consumer protection in the pet food industry. There are
several bodies that control the industry - but not on behalf of consumers.
The complexity of the issues is immense and some idea can be obtained by
reading the following site - but I still consider it will take months of
study to even start to get a feel for it all - and I offer my own
gleanings after many years of study of the feline nutrition research PLUS
this manufacturer mess because the consumer can not be expected to delve
deep to find how to assess petfood information in this environment - and
the vets are selling the worst products of all (Iams, Science Diet, etc),
so they are not doing the homework either:
http://leda.law.harvard.edu/leda/data/7 ... tml#fnB189
(Not all the conclusions on this website are correct - but most of the
presented facts are. Please differentiate fact from conclusion.)
It is reasonable in my view, to develop a working relationship with a
small enough manufacturer and to know over time whether what they say is
valid.
In addition, trusting *no* manufacturer leaves the consumer who does not
make pet food, with no pet food.
That is not a good situation or a realistic one.
Again - my discussion was about the current best COMMERCIAL pet food.
I have been using ProPac's kitten dry (NOT canned) product since 1996.
It is NOT perfect, but I have not caught them in misstatements or lies to
date I do not like everything about their product by a long shot, and
would rather pay more for a better one - but So far, they are quick to
respond to a complaint - sending their vice president of operations to
follow up, not some clerk. Their kibble once came with some big chunks in
one bag back in 1999, and they came to fetch the bad bags, plus all
distributor ones of the coded manufacturing plant - not expecting me to
do work to send them back, and they delivered good replacements plus
coupons for double free etc. I got feedback that the problem was in one
machine in a specific plant (somewhere in USA, I forget which state) and
that it would be repaired, and they thanked me for reporting the problem.
The problem *I* had - is that when they have an issue they pull ALL the
food off the market and check it out. That forced me to use an alternative
as a result of which a litter of kittens all were born 10 days early and
all died and their mother got very ill. (The OTHER food I used contained
alfalfa, in the days before I knew it was toxic to cats. [Coumestrol in
sunflower seeds and alfalfa sprouts has been found to adversely affect
fertility, fetuses and reproductive cycles of animals.]
It was after that, I got myself involved in some more in depth details
about cat foods. I do NOT like that PROPAC kitten dry, is the only food I
am using but the next best one is just so much worse.
Finding an acceptable commercial cat food is difficult indeed - BUT it is
necessary in the modern world for people who need to work to earn a living
and who can not stay home and stay awake to feed their cat on the hour
(which is the ideal) 24/7.
I do not address fully here, the extensive research showing the need for
dry food for cats that is available 24/7 - it is the only realistic way to
provide fresh protein every 2 hrs as cats need - for indoor cats who can
not hunt insects and mice for themselves.
There is plenty of "opinion" out there - but not backed by proper research
- which is available.
I just wish manufacturers and vets would use it.
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
in "Chicken Meal" as a cat food ingredient.
One poster suggested "chicken meal" contains pigs, roadkill, restaurant
grease, diseased and dead animals and zoo creatures etc which of course is
not true, it has only chicken finely ground.
What is relevant in the pet food industry is that dead animals of various
kinds DO get into pet food, but only as generic ingredients from a
"rendering" plant. A rendering plant is a place where animal remains are
cooked up into a soup for sale as supposedly usable protein
allowed for use in pet foods by the FDA, and grabbed by big conglomerates
as a way to get rid of waste.
So while "chicken meal" and any other specific species meal like fish meal
or beef meal or lamb meal has none of it, pet food may well have all sorts
of junk inside "rendered" ingredients, which then have generic names like
"meat meal", "Animal meal", "by-product meal", and "poultry meal".
The trick is to know what is rendered and what is not, as "rendered" is
not on the label. The above examples of *generics* are typical however, of
rendered ingredients. All "by-product" ingredients are also rendered.
It is a complex and involved industry and the discussion I started was
only intended to cover the specific food I recommended - in which there
is chicken meal, fish meal and egg, but no rendered ingredients, and no
no pigs, roadkill, zoo animals or restaurant grease in it.
I repeat that ProPac food meets *human* export food standards - there is
no rendering of anything in any of their products. However I recommend
ONLY one of their products - NOT all of them - just the kitten dry food. I
suggest it for dogs too (with dog-appropriate additions like pumpkin,
spinach, fish oil, rice bran and berries and any other good meat, fish or
egg) as the dog food situation is even worse than the cat food situation
when it comes to good protein - though one dog owner pointed out to me
that if his dog's friends found out he was eating kitten food, he'd
totally lose his "street cred"
The complexity of the pet food industry is completely confusing to the
consumer and I'd left all that out as this is a homeopathy site rather
than a cat health site and because I feel that unless the homeopath is
prepared to do many *months* of work to understand the issues - it can
confuse things a lot. We have hardly scratched the surface here so far.
I have remained - on purpose for those reasons - with the discussion of
the food I recommend as best available - and the reasons I choose it -
plus the relatively poor 2nd choices if one is forced to use them.
I also debunked the supposed goodness of a few specific foods on
request - in hopes of helping folks know some things to look for, and
alluded to a food checklist I have developed for the purpose. These are
all positive approaches which I chose rather than to discuss details of
the abhorrent practices of the majority in the pet food industry.
Perhaps that was a mistake - perhaps people need to at least have a
feel for what is going on behind the scenes, without perhaps detailed
discussion of those details - but just to know they exist and how to
avoid them.
Perhaps then, my biggest error of omission could be considered the
ingredients which have been "rendered". I consider that nobody should ever
buy a food that has a rendered ingredient.
I'll explain why rendered ingredients are a no-no.
"Rendering" may be involved (and usually is) in generic ingredients like
"meat meal", "animal by-products", "tallow" "anything containing
"by-products" etc - so anywhere a single species is not identified, or
if "by-product" occurs even with a single species - and then it is a
mixology of leftover animal bits and pieces.
Rendering plants are places that take in "animal waste" from multiple
sources, and cook it up to supposedly extract usable nutrient results. The
big problem here is not so much that they include road-kill (which MIGHT
theoretically be edible healthy protein at the outset or after boiling
long enough to destroy micro-organisms - emphasis on MIGHT) - but that
they include euthanised animals such as from vet clinics, shelters and
farms including potentially huge volumes of cats and dogs in one batch -
thus with these all potentially ending up in one batch of pet food.
People worry about the micro-organisms in the dead creatures - but those
are nearly all (but not all) destroyed in the heating process. A few have
been shown to survive but it is unnusual. However more importantly - it
includes the toxins used in euthanasia and those are NOT removed by
heating.
Pets can get very sick or die from eating pet food from a batch containing
a large batch of euthanized animals.
Yet Pet food companies use this rendered slush and proudly say they are
involved in beneficial recycling. But they are feeding dead cats to live
cats, along with euthasnasia chemicals. We already know what happened
when dead cows were fed to cows.... and there are feline prion diseases
already known too (eg. feline spongiform encephalopathy). So rendered
ingredients are certainly to be avoided in pet foods.
How to do it?
Avoid foods containing in the ingredients list, words like "by-product",
"gluten" or anything generic (meat meal, tallow, poultry meal etc - where
one specific species is not identified) and know the worst offenders:
The worst offenders for using this slush - I'd rather call it toxic sludge
- are the big pet food conglomerates who are owned by human food chain
bigger conglomerates. This is because the human food chain manufacturers
want to get profits from the leftover junk they produce that is not
alllowed in human food - and from out of date human food such as meat and
fish complete with "unavoidable" wrappings of poloystyrene and saran wrap,
that all goes to rendering plants.
This profitable garbage fed to pets, is what is behind the takeover by
human food manufacturers, of pet food manufacturers.
Some examples (hence to be avoided as pet food makers):
Proctor and Gamble purchased Iams (who also brands Eukanuba and a lot of
supermarket brands) for $2.05 billion in 1999. In 2000 Mars Inc., which
already owned Kal Kan, Pedigree and Whiskas, acquired Royal Canin, a
French "premium" pet food company for $730 million. Nestle acquired
Ralston-Purina in 2001 for $10.3 billion, to become the “dominant force”
in the pet food industry with 45% of the market share.
So - It is big business to turn human food waste into "pet food".
There is NO consumer protection in the pet food industry. There are
several bodies that control the industry - but not on behalf of consumers.
The complexity of the issues is immense and some idea can be obtained by
reading the following site - but I still consider it will take months of
study to even start to get a feel for it all - and I offer my own
gleanings after many years of study of the feline nutrition research PLUS
this manufacturer mess because the consumer can not be expected to delve
deep to find how to assess petfood information in this environment - and
the vets are selling the worst products of all (Iams, Science Diet, etc),
so they are not doing the homework either:
http://leda.law.harvard.edu/leda/data/7 ... tml#fnB189
(Not all the conclusions on this website are correct - but most of the
presented facts are. Please differentiate fact from conclusion.)
It is reasonable in my view, to develop a working relationship with a
small enough manufacturer and to know over time whether what they say is
valid.
In addition, trusting *no* manufacturer leaves the consumer who does not
make pet food, with no pet food.
That is not a good situation or a realistic one.
Again - my discussion was about the current best COMMERCIAL pet food.
I have been using ProPac's kitten dry (NOT canned) product since 1996.
It is NOT perfect, but I have not caught them in misstatements or lies to
date
I do not like everything about their product by a long shot, andwould rather pay more for a better one - but So far, they are quick to
respond to a complaint - sending their vice president of operations to
follow up, not some clerk. Their kibble once came with some big chunks in
one bag back in 1999, and they came to fetch the bad bags, plus all
distributor ones of the coded manufacturing plant - not expecting me to
do work to send them back, and they delivered good replacements plus
coupons for double free etc. I got feedback that the problem was in one
machine in a specific plant (somewhere in USA, I forget which state) and
that it would be repaired, and they thanked me for reporting the problem.
The problem *I* had - is that when they have an issue they pull ALL the
food off the market and check it out. That forced me to use an alternative
as a result of which a litter of kittens all were born 10 days early and
all died and their mother got very ill. (The OTHER food I used contained
alfalfa, in the days before I knew it was toxic to cats. [Coumestrol in
sunflower seeds and alfalfa sprouts has been found to adversely affect
fertility, fetuses and reproductive cycles of animals.]
It was after that, I got myself involved in some more in depth details
about cat foods. I do NOT like that PROPAC kitten dry, is the only food I
am using but the next best one is just so much worse.
Finding an acceptable commercial cat food is difficult indeed - BUT it is
necessary in the modern world for people who need to work to earn a living
and who can not stay home and stay awake to feed their cat on the hour
(which is the ideal) 24/7.
I do not address fully here, the extensive research showing the need for
dry food for cats that is available 24/7 - it is the only realistic way to
provide fresh protein every 2 hrs as cats need - for indoor cats who can
not hunt insects and mice for themselves.
There is plenty of "opinion" out there - but not backed by proper research
- which is available.
I just wish manufacturers and vets would use it.
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Cat Food (OT)
I do not agree, but you snipped why:-)
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Cat Food (OT)
Based on what research?
Real research shows the opposite - and it is logical for reasons of
dental health (and gum diosease is the tip of the iceberg in that
regard)
Details are in archives at Vethom-friends list for veterinary
homeopathy study if you are interested.
On the contrary - their jaws NEED the exercise!
Goo-food from cans is bad stuff.
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Real research shows the opposite - and it is logical for reasons of
dental health (and gum diosease is the tip of the iceberg in that
regard)
Details are in archives at Vethom-friends list for veterinary
homeopathy study if you are interested.
On the contrary - their jaws NEED the exercise!
Goo-food from cans is bad stuff.
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Re: Cat Food (OT)
Easy to misinterpret:
No they only set the "legal descrption" of an ingredient - nobody has
to follow their "AAFCO Standard" of what should or should not be
included in a food. They CLAIM it is a good standard, it's not of
course.
Yes. Chicken meal in dry food is the best dry ingredient in the
chicken category as a result. Chicken meal is concentrated protein
unlike"chicken" which is mostly water and thus misleading as an
ingredient of note in a food ingredients list, because food
ingredients are listed by volume.
That is your opinion, and it may be valid - but it does not change
the fact that the majority of cat owners feed commercial food and
want to know how to find the best options for commerical food.
It is NOT impossible to contact many of the dry pet food companies
and discuss ingredient sources with them.
Opinion sites - not research.
They hold no value to me compared with good research.
No.
What happened is nothing to do with kibble. Cheap ingredients from
greedy manufacturers is what happened as protein is expensive - it
is not to do with the invention of kibble.
It is to do with what is put into the kibble or other processed food.
For example, Hills Science Diet a/d (canned food) for cats who are
not eating enough, (a/d is anorexia diet) is called VERY high protein
by Hills and yet is only 8% protein, same as any junk catfood cans in
the supermarket.
So it is not the "canned versus kibbled" that is relevant - it is
WHAT ingredients are being canned or kibbled that matters, especially
for carnivores - the protein ingredients.
SOME kibble has good ingredients and it is ALWAYS necessary to
stipulate what food ingredients you are talking about and not just
what food preparation method you are talking about.
I could prepare cardboard in cans or meat in cans, and I can prepare
cardboard in kibble or meat in kibble.
Makes no difference how I prepare it - meat is meat, and cardboard is
not.
It all depends on the ingredients - and you are conveniently leaving
out that most relevant aspect!
True.
But are the catfood consumers yelling at the manufacturers for better
food?
No.
We - many - are using "holistic" food prepared with human ingredients
that are toxic to cats.
We need to get more demanding as consumers.
Manufacturers are meantime making money hand over fist - this is
HIGELY BIG business and makes obscene profits.
Until we demand better options we will not get them.
There are none other than that canned is bad for cats due to gums and
other gooey problem-causing ingredients added.
The important thing here is WHAT INGREDIENTS are good for cats - far
more so than how those ingredients are prepared.
It was not so in my post - I wrote about the best COMMERCIAL food to
feed.
On the contrary.
Nobody eats cans or bags. It's the ingredients that make for
nourishment.
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
No they only set the "legal descrption" of an ingredient - nobody has
to follow their "AAFCO Standard" of what should or should not be
included in a food. They CLAIM it is a good standard, it's not of
course.
Yes. Chicken meal in dry food is the best dry ingredient in the
chicken category as a result. Chicken meal is concentrated protein
unlike"chicken" which is mostly water and thus misleading as an
ingredient of note in a food ingredients list, because food
ingredients are listed by volume.
That is your opinion, and it may be valid - but it does not change
the fact that the majority of cat owners feed commercial food and
want to know how to find the best options for commerical food.
It is NOT impossible to contact many of the dry pet food companies
and discuss ingredient sources with them.
Opinion sites - not research.
They hold no value to me compared with good research.
No.
What happened is nothing to do with kibble. Cheap ingredients from
greedy manufacturers is what happened as protein is expensive - it
is not to do with the invention of kibble.
It is to do with what is put into the kibble or other processed food.
For example, Hills Science Diet a/d (canned food) for cats who are
not eating enough, (a/d is anorexia diet) is called VERY high protein
by Hills and yet is only 8% protein, same as any junk catfood cans in
the supermarket.
So it is not the "canned versus kibbled" that is relevant - it is
WHAT ingredients are being canned or kibbled that matters, especially
for carnivores - the protein ingredients.
SOME kibble has good ingredients and it is ALWAYS necessary to
stipulate what food ingredients you are talking about and not just
what food preparation method you are talking about.
I could prepare cardboard in cans or meat in cans, and I can prepare
cardboard in kibble or meat in kibble.
Makes no difference how I prepare it - meat is meat, and cardboard is
not.
It all depends on the ingredients - and you are conveniently leaving
out that most relevant aspect!
True.
But are the catfood consumers yelling at the manufacturers for better
food?
No.
We - many - are using "holistic" food prepared with human ingredients
that are toxic to cats.
We need to get more demanding as consumers.
Manufacturers are meantime making money hand over fist - this is
HIGELY BIG business and makes obscene profits.
Until we demand better options we will not get them.
There are none other than that canned is bad for cats due to gums and
other gooey problem-causing ingredients added.
The important thing here is WHAT INGREDIENTS are good for cats - far
more so than how those ingredients are prepared.
It was not so in my post - I wrote about the best COMMERCIAL food to
feed.
On the contrary.
Nobody eats cans or bags. It's the ingredients that make for
nourishment.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Jennifer Lennon
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Re: Cat Food (OT)
OMG I can't believe the cat food conversation has come up again. I believe
it's best to leave this one alone, Irene seems to have VERY differing views
on what is an appropriate diet for cats. I left the last round of this same
discussion just shaking my head.
Jenn
Toronto, ON
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it's best to leave this one alone, Irene seems to have VERY differing views
on what is an appropriate diet for cats. I left the last round of this same
discussion just shaking my head.
Jenn
Toronto, ON
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The Next Generation Raw www.TolldenFarms.ca
Herbal Solutions for Pets www.AnimalWellness.ca
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