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Re: Teaching the Organon

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:53 am
by pb000014
Here's the thing. Your stuck on a desert island. You know nothing about homeopathy and a suitcase washes up on shore. In it you find a 6th edition Organon. Could be Wendy's, it doesn't matter. You study it in depth (there are no other books on the island :-)
You will only know about LM's and how they are used. You will learn that the aggravation comes near the end of dosing (not after initial dosing). You will definitely not know about the centessimal range, other than a 3C triturate.

My advice is - use Wendy's 6th ed for the overall gist, but read it in conjunction with the 5th edition. You can get one online that combines 5 and 6. Many aphorisms are the same, but there are some differences that are important, because mainly they relate to potency scale. Look at aph 273 especially. You need the knowledge of centessimals because they are still in use and many cases involved them and you also may not always have access to LM's. It also helps to put the LM's in better context. You see hahnemann progressing from single dry dose (4th ed) to dilution (5th ed) to LM (6th ed)
Regards
Paul
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Re: Teaching the Organon

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:17 pm
by Shannon Nelson
The Dudgeon edition is one easily available one that gives 5th and 6th together, in a way that makes for easy comparison. Excellent advice! And Richard I wanted to note also, not too many years in the past, David Little had said that in his own practice he uses *both* LMs and Cs, and sees good place for both.

And there are people and situations for which LMs are neither necessary nor appropriate; I one friend-patients who simply refuses to use any sort of water dosing because she finds it too much trouble (and she's one who *would* benefit from LMs, but 6c dry has worked too), and most of my others prefer high potency dry doses most of the time.

LMs / 6th ed. are a wonderful addition to the tool chest, but they should not be taken as a total replacement for Cs etc.

Shannon

Re: Teaching the Organon

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:03 pm
by Irene de Villiers
I prefer not to be misquoted! THat would be very out of contect. (The sentence was longer!).................
Hahnemann started wit Orgnon edtion one. He ended with Organon edtio six. He also had Chronic diseases 1 and 2.
He wrote than starting at 1 and ending at 6.
yes, that is start to end:-)
plus hi other works.
I consider this a good option. You will get more than enough understanding with that, nd there is a free version of 5 and 6 on line, with aporiisms interspersed.
You can split hairs and chase red herrings later.
:-)
..............
Are you sure?
Did your teachers give you arithmetic sums before y o knew what the numbers looked like?
Or did you first learn the numbers 1 through 0?

And did you learn to write before you knew were taught about letters?
Did you learn chemical reactions without first learning the table of elements?

Hahneman is the ABCs of homepathy. If you feel you do not need the ABCs, it is like a mathematician who wants to do math without using numbers, and just by reading the theory of relativity.
You are playing games here.
If you truly have studied to a higher learning level in some subject, ANY subject, you know better than to suggest you learn things back to front.
As it happens, and Sheri will agree, she and I seldom agree here :-)

But in any case, how do you think you can understand the interpretation of something without FIRST reading it?
Maybe you got out of bed on the wrong side .........
as, to sugugest learning interpretation, without first reading what you want to interpret, lacks common sense.
And hopefully you do not lack common sense?
Geting lost is a choice - yours.
Learning the ABCs of a subject is also a choice - yours.
Hopefully you will see (after this) that they are just common sense:-)
Good luck.

Namaste,
Irene
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Re: Teaching the Organon

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:04 pm
by Sheri Nakken
and David Little uses Cs in water - as in 5th edition. NOT dry.

I am not a homeopath that has clients dictate to me what they want - that is like patients telling doctors they want antibiotics or this and that.
I do not do that. If someone wants that they can go elsewhere.

I use what I, as a homeopath, know to be the best for the patient. If they want high potency dry doses, they can go elsewhere as, in my opinion, that is not good homeopathy.

Cs and LMs in water as in 5th and 6th edition
Many of you on this list have not had a large number of clients or years of experience and some don't even work with humans on this list
Sheri
IAt 02:17 PM 8/8/2015, you wrote:
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Re: Teaching the Organon

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:43 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Sure, we each make our choices, and yours makes sense to me -- even though it would not suit my circumstances.
(And by "it" I mean the lack of flexibility rather than LM method; LM method *sometimes* fits my circumstances, and some day I will get better at using it.)

I am a fan of choosing the tool that fits the circumstances.

Re: Teaching the Organon

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:47 pm
by Shannon Nelson
But also, Sheri, I'm curious what you make of the little study that Elham referenced, which showed quicker initial improvement with LMs, but not much long-term difference.

That surely wouldn't change the fact that LMs are unquestionably better for some patients; I don't dispute that.

Re: Teaching the Organon

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:55 pm
by Sheri Nakken
I am talking Cs and LMs in water - 5th and 6th edition
Circumstances to me are NOT where client demands dosing in a certain way
Sheri

At 06:43 PM 8/8/2015, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
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Re: Teaching the Organon

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:58 pm
by Sheri Nakken
I don't know the study, I haven't read the full study, I would have to examine it.
I know real life cases in my practice and myself.

You can't go into an alternate universe and see what would happen with same person, if given dry 4th edition dose and in another universe given water potency of C or LM

Sheri

At 06:47 PM 8/8/2015, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
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Re: Teaching the Organon

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:02 pm
by Leilanae
Hi Paul,

Seeing your name and reading your posts brings back memories of the "Lyghtforce list".

Have always, and still do, appreciate your clear, concise and on point posts.

Thanks!

Leilanae

Re: Teaching the Organon

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:15 am
by pb000014
Hi Leilanae,
Thank you. Those were great days. Julian, David, Will, Walter .... Really learnt a lot from them.
Regards,
Paul
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