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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:07 am
by Theresa Partington
Sorry, I was still referring to Gallavardin (but correcting Simon’s book title!)
I agree that he appears to have been a knowledgeable bloke – a high potency prescriber in areas where his contemporaries (eg Burnett) were prescribing low and a believer in looking for the ‘psychic disturbance’ in a case. He believed, among other things, that most male drunkards had to be treated without their knowledge/consent whereas women were more likely to be cooperative.

The alcohol book is a good read but, as I said, I found aspects of the plastic medicine book disturbing. Drying up milk after 10 days to stop breasts becoming ‘deformed’ (as happens, he says, in 90% of cases) or making someone look younger so her husband won’t leave don’t really seem terribly worthy objectives - but I am sure the plastic surgeons of today would disagree. ( He did treat more real physical deformities, too, in fairness!).

I do also wonder about his veracity sometimes. He cured a man from alcoholism who had been to 100 homeopaths in England and a couple in France over 4 or 5 years (with just 5 high potency remedies in the end). That works out at 20-25 homeopaths a year ie about one a fortnight.

Just because a homeopath died a while ago doesn’t make him perfect!
Theresa
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Can you tell us the authors name?
Laurence

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Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:20 am
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Joy,
Explain ?
Best I could do would be to repeat Irene's proposed explanation--that
between the FIP and the prednisone, the cat is so weakened, and the
thymus so damaged, that the simillimum does not have enough energy and
resources left to do its work; but that (Irene suggests) the added
organ support (thymus in potency) and nutrients, about half the time
the remedy is able to do its job. To me it makes sense, and I accept
her stated observations at face value; you disagree, and I should not
keep arguing with that, as it's certainly your right and duty to hold
the conclusion that seems most convincing to you.

I can only infer and assume... Perhaps the 50% who don't make it have
(all? some?) received a non-simillimum, and the sarcode-and-nutrients
regiment is insufficient without simillimum; or perhaps they were past
the point where even simillimum-plus-illegal-substances could bring
them back--obviously I can't know.

I am, again, taking at face value Irene's statement that, in her
observation / experience, the survival rate jumped substantially when
she added in these changes. But since all I can do is repeat
hearsay--the same hearsay that's not speaking to you--I guess I've said
all I have to say, and then some. I guess it's time to 'agree to
disagree'...

Not much to lose when the prognosis is "no hope"...
And interesting (still) to me that you find the reported jump in
survival rates unremarkable and unconvincing. But, we each draw the
best conclusions we can, so I will (really, really try again to)
withdraw.
Best wishes,
Shannon

Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:20 am
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Joy,
We're hearing the same things, but coming to different
conclusions--fair enough.
But I agree, no point to keep repeating; one does one's best with
what's available.
Best wishes,
Shannon

Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:38 am
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
I have the same experience with humans..............no or little reaction to my simillimum, which is often due to adrenal exhaustion.
Once the adrenals and pituitary are repaired and proper nutrition installed, the SAME simillimum is given and works beautifully.
But while I have the luxury of 1-2 months time to do it separately, Irene has to face dying patients and everything needs to be done at the same time.
The use of sarcodes is perfectly homeopathic, just not homeopathic to the whole patient but to a specific organ and used as a blueprint to guide the repair of said organ(s). Same with potentised herbs who have a tropism towards certain organs, like Carduus Marianus for the liver, etc,.....
When a pathology is purely functional, dynamic, the simillimum alone is often enough; when organs are not functioning, they have to be repaired first. To compare with adrenal exhaustion, you can put the highest octane gas in your car, it won't start if your battery is dead............
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:19 am
by muthu kumar
to the
guide the

I accept that sarcodes possibly have a tissue affinity to the same
affected organ. There is a lot of evidence for that irrespective of
whether we have provings for that or not...

This does not make them "homeopathic". Organ affinity does not mean
homeopathicity. We can claim that there is a homeopathic action
somewhere there but thats about it... ( This contrasts them from
hormonal drugs in potencies - since there is a lot of literature on
physiological effects of hormones that we have at least some
indications for their "homeopathic" employment).

Also all drugs have organ affinities - not just herbs or any specific
class of drugs.
We have so many organ failures taken care of by simillimum alone. Even
kidney failures responding to the indicated remedy. We are not giving
Kidneys in potencies there. ( Or do you mean only in endocrine
actions?) There have been so many improvements in even diabetes ( with
pancreas failure ) just with indicated remedies.

So instead of talking about organ failure we should probably still be
talking about obstacles to cure or when indicated remedies fail etc.

I agree that in some such conditions organ remedies work. But we do
not know if this is homeopathic effect or tonic effect or organopathic
effect. This is almost like the question of tissue salts... they act
because they are correcting a biochemic fault or because there is a
possibility of partial or full similarity of condition?

Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:22 am
by Shannon Nelson
Dr. R,
What have you found useful for the adrenal/pituitary repair in those
cases? Is ACTH one that you've used in this way?
Shannon

Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:32 am
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
Adrenal 4C, Pituitary 4C which would contain ACTH and different herbs that must be chosen individually according to the symptoms and signs to the patient, not only because act on adrenals, as well as high doses of vitamin C to bowel tolerance.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:41 am
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
That is just semantics.
Drugs have receptors affinities, that is why they act on other organs often in a undesirable way causing well known side effects.
Organ failure cured by the simillimum, yes but only when that failure was functional, not with physical destruction needing regeneration: I have a diabetic patient, on insulin for almost 30 years who is slowly able to taper her insulin to almost nothing after I managed to treat her deep emotional issues that blocked the pancreatic function in an attempt to "sweeten" her life; honestly I did not expect that and did not even bother starting her on organotherapy, as I assumed, wrongly, that after so many years her beta cells would be completely destroyed............OTOH, I have not yet managed to cure a cirrhosis, a chronic hepatitis, a chronic pancreatitis or a state of adrenal exhaustion with the simillimum alone..........well, probably I am a very poor prescriber.........
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:44 am
by Irene de Villiers
Joy Lucas wrote:

Because as with all other homeopaths before this - all finding the best
simillimum - the cats all died. ALL. Not just some.
There is no known case of wet FIP with pred given that survived by
simillimum alone - not anywhere in any year in any country.
Can you find one?

So either ALL homeopaths in all years and all countries are useless or
else the simillimum is simply not enough in this situation - and my
opinion is the latter.
Only after adding other things did the success rate start to grow steadily.
I have plenty of faith in homeopathy - but there are places where it is
not enough by itself - and the environment needs to be attended to - as
Hahnemann suggested.
In THIS case the environment problem is a damaged thymus due to
prednisone, and while Hahnemann did not experience that specific
environmental issue himself - the principle he taught to take care of
such issues - still applies, and that is what I am working on that is
one of the many non-simillimum aspects of the case.
If I find a better way to address any aspect, I'll use it - I am merely
reporting on what seems to be the best I can find for now to address
this aspect, and on what success it is helping to achieve.

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: Cat with aggressive breast cancer

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:51 am
by Irene de Villiers
Joy Lucas wrote:

Not strange. It has to do with statistical significance.
Not one cat I can anywhere ever survived pred and FIP combination by use
of simillimum alone. Every one died.

But hundreds have come right from FIP without the pred complication,
using the simillimum.
So the pred is a "death sentence" in FIP cats.

I want to undo that death sentence.
Using the extras IS causing cats with FIP plus pred to survive. Two out
of three so far. I am only just starting this approach, but I have high
hopes and could not now justify leaving out the extras based on the
statistics so far.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."