Minutus

Not wrong:-)

The only cases of dissociation involve ionic bonds.
Some molecules have ionic bonds, some do not.
Covalent bonds do not dissociate.
Most molecules have covalent onds.

Irene
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Sorry Bonds not onds ....the B was trying to dissociate:-)

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Ah, and of course to the "gem waters" or whatever they are called.
Thanks, that fits observation and seems a useful bottom line.

Thanks, that's what I had assumed.

I think your wrong Irene - in this case the the B did dissociate ; >))))

Bob

In a message dated 6/21/2015 10:50:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, minutus@yahoogroups.com writes:
Once again, Irene, you're WRONG! Go to the dynamic periodic table at http://ptable.com/#Property/Ionization and read the cardinal ionizations in kJ/mol of carbon and silica.
Inadvertantly, it is undoubtedly because of the ionization of silica that homeopathic remedies work at all, being that the first NMR physical tests at Hahnemann College revealed that unless they are diluted and succussed in soda glass containers (not boron) they are practically inert,
ROY: "Obviously chemical contamination from the container material could itself serve as a “remedy”. This is particularly relevant in the materials science perspective, since that includes the “poly-water” error of the 1980’s caused by contamination from the glass containers. If succussing is carried out in glass containers the likely possibility of contamination with small fragments of silicate materials exists. But the influence of these nano-fragments may really lie in the fact that they could serve as nucleating sites for particular water clusters." Rustum Roy, W.A. Tiller, Iris Bell, M. R. Hoover The Structure Of Liquid Water; Novel Insights From Materials Research; Potential Relevance To Homeopathy Materials Research Innovations 14 September 2005 Online 5 77
http://nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/ ... levance-to -
The suggestion here is that the silica from the glass succussion chamber is due to ionization, Irene. Remember what you always say, "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Maybe you should change the reference to include "woman."
John Benneth

In a message dated 6/22/2015 12:18:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, minutus@yahoogroups.com [Shannon]writes:
Well, I'm sorry to hear you say that, Shannon. You're asking me to turn my back on known, referenced chemical principles because you apparently believe they will only happen selectively in homeopathy. But, granted, it has been said that "everything that dissociates dissolves, but not everything that dissolves dissociates."
So, okay, this presents a problem, because the principles of perpetual ionization in "infinite dilution" parallel what we see in the action of the diluted materials used in homeopathy. Except for the suggested exclusions, one confirms the other. The principles of "infinite dilution" are of quality and quantity, properties and ionic concentrations of the solutes, we are told by chemists, remain the same throughout unlimited dilutions, some, in homeopathy, reportedly reaching a million.
Copeland gives physical tests for these principles. In other words, there are ways to prove, or disprove, the homeopathic remedy, and byway of that, prove their ionic content, some which have been done within recent times. And what I've seen of them, they support ionic theory, most notably dielectric stress testing of a homeopathic remedy in solution by Brucato and Stephenson in the 1960's. They assayed decimal dilutions of mercury to the 30th dilution and radically changed the conductance of what should have been pure water, the change suddenly veering off of the conductance curve at the 7th dilution, almost exactly where Copeland said it would be.
The objection raised here is that some molecules don't ionize, most notably organic, right? So the question arises, why would organic molecules not ionize? Or, why would they not READILY ionize? I believe the answer to that is clear. They don't readily ionize because if they did, they could not sustain life. But this doesn't mean they are incapable of dissociating, and I would suggest to you that inevitably, when subjected to trituration, dilution and succussion, they do.
What everyone is forgetting here is, among other things, one of the testimonials to the genius of Hahnemann, was his discovery of making the insoluble soluble, his method still used by chemists for rendering Mercury soluble. http://www.fda.gov/RegulatoryInformatio ... 100219.htm
John Benneth

The phenomenon happening with lactose during trituration has been clearly explained in great detail in Endler and Schulte's book "Ultra High Dilutions".

I have summarised and simplified this somewhat in the Homeophysiology part of Third Millennium Homeopathy.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

SUre did
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.Furryboots.info
(Info on Feline health, genetics, nutrition & homeopathy)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hey, I didn't write that!