Minutus Exchanges

Luise Kunkle · Post by **Luise Kunkle** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:18 pm

Hi Fran,

I agree with what you said about Julian - and I had many controversial
discussions with him.

But he never resorted to personal insults. Not that I remember.

That to me is the main point.

Regards

Luise
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Sheri Nakken · Post by **Sheri Nakken** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:03 pm

Amen, Rik
Sheri
another Hahnemannian Homeopath who gets very disappointed in this list

At 05:01 PM 7/11/2009, you wrote:

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ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases Reality
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Sheri Nakken · Post by **Sheri Nakken** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:03 pm

Say hi to him for me too - missing him greatly.
Sheri

At 05:11 PM 7/11/2009, you wrote:
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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm & http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases Reality
Next classes start July 29 & 30

Sheri Nakken · Post by **Sheri Nakken** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:09 pm

Shannon, if you want to discuss knitting you don't join a crocheting list and try to push all into crocheting.
If you want to discuss cooking with beef you don't join a vegetarian list and keep trying to push them there.
Why here? A Hahnemannian list - the only thing that can be truly called homeopathy which the founder named
Sheri
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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm & http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases Reality
Next classes start July 29 & 30

Sheri Nakken · Post by **Sheri Nakken** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:24 pm

At 04:37 PM 7/11/2009, you wrote:
Exactly.
Sheri
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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm & http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases Reality
Next classes start July 29 & 30

Post by **Soroush Ebrahimi** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:42 am

Thank you Fran.
I 100% endorse what you have written here. I have state it several times over the past few weeks.
Rgds
Soroush

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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fran Sheffield
Sent: 11 July 2009 16:12
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Minutus Exchanges
Shannon & Bob Nelson wrote:
I don't think many, if any, are proposing that non-homeopathic things should not be discussed (within reason) on the list.

I think what is wanted - at least by me - is that non-homeopathic practises should not be spoken of as homeopathy, and that if people draw attention to this error that a struggle for redefining homeopathy does not ensue.
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Chris_Gillen · Post by **Chris_Gillen** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:00 am

There was a group of 13(?) apothecaries in Leipzig who sued Hahnemann for
dispensing his own medicines, rather than let them prepare the homoeopathic
medicines for his patients. I don't think any one of us would have been
particularly trusting of those chemists to prepare homoeopathic dilutions
and succussions accurately given the level of public rancour displayed
towards homoeopathy. There were some chemists who could be trusted, to be
sure, Boenninghausen had a couple of good sources, but I think it is
perfectly understandable that the reputation of homoeopathy's effectiveness
was always on the line, and Hahnemann was in a no-win situation had he
stayed in Leipzig. He was much better off in Koethen where the Duke of
Saxony provided a personal and professional safe haven for him to continue
his work. The Koethen period was one of Hahnemann's most prolific, he was
inundated with patients, and he wrote and published "Chronic Diseases".

Chris.

Celia M. Malm · Post by **Celia M. Malm** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:11 am

>But on a more serious note, among all the tantrums I've seen thrown

See, this is where I have a problem with those who are using the excuse of
"defending Classical homeopathy" to spew forth venom at those whose view of
homeopathy is a little broader. Because I am not in the *least* confused,
when I read posts that mention other approaches, between what is "Classical
homeopathy" and what is not. And if I, a lowly mom-homeopath, am not
confused by the difference, I seriously doubt that many other people on this
list are. Those who *might* be confused--people with no knowledge of
homeopathy, but who for some bizarre reason thought that joining a
professionals list would be a good place to start--are probably going to be
be confused by *most* of what is said here, even if nothing non-Classical
was ever posted on this list again.

So the way I see it, all this vitriol amounts to tilting at windmills. If
the concern really *were* just that people might be confused, it would be
very simple to say, "Just so people know, this approach is not Classical
homeopathy," and let it go at that. The stridency and the level of personal
abuse suggests that it's *not* about a fear of confusion, but rather about
an allergic reaction (as Magda put it) to non-Classical thoughts and those
who have them.

That being the case...regardless of whether anyone has actually *said* in so
many words that non-purists aren't welcome, the whole tone of the posts has
been such as to *suggest strongly* that non-purists aren't welcome, and that
some ideas are too "dangerous" to have a civil discussion about. And
frankly, people who believe that non-orthodox ideas are too dangerous even
to *talk* about worry me. It calls up images of thumbscrews and the rack.

Personally, I *trust* Classical homeopathy. But recognizing that no science
is (or should be) truly static, I am willing to read about new ideas and
approaches and to weigh their merits for myself. I would welcome *reasoned
discussion* about the merits (or lack thereof) of these things in
relationship to the Classical approach--I think would learn a lot from it. I
certainly learned a lot on the old Lyghtforce list from such discussions
(most of which convinced me that my decision to hold to Classicial
principles is a wise one). But when all I see in my inbox, day after day,
are vicious diatribes at individuals...all *that* teaches me is that my low
opinion of human nature, even among those who are supposedly "the best," is
very well founded indeed. :~P
Cee

suriya56 · Post by **suriya56** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:01 am

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Christine Gillen" wrote:
Dear Christine, it is nice that you are asking this. Before Celia answers, why not try some self reflection and read through what you posted before. If you find your own answers, it would be far better for you than have somebody point things out to you. Most people cannot change from people pointing things out to them.

It is like homeopathy: The remedy creates awareness of the problem and the body, which then becomes aware of the problem is now able to correct it.

This is the reason why single remedies ( by this I mean any remedy that is proven as it is..be it cow dung or cat poo or lake water or an element etc) whose symptoms are known from the proving, when given to a person who has similar symptoms can cause the person's vital force to correct itself where as a combination remedy whose joint effects are unknown which is given repeatedly causes proving symptoms which may temporarily cause the vital force to correct itself by its proving effects yet the vital force will go back to being disordered once the influence of the remedy is gone.

And this is what happens when a person forces another to change and the person changes, it is only temporary.
regards

Suriya

muthu kumar · Post by **muthu kumar** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:08 am

I agree with you Vera- I like working with cases and help whenever I could..

Problem is sometimes debates get potentized and practice gets diluted

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Vera Resnick wrote: