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Hi,
I put constitutional considerations in a category somewhat separate from repping skills. I called it diagnostic symptoms/pictures. Others might say clinical symptoms/pictures.
I guess Irene is saying that you could have a fairly healthy case with no major pathologies and a remedy is taken like a vitamin??? Yikkes
There is no rubric for blue eyed blond haired Pulsatilla. Anyway, it would be useless for my Japanese population. Actually, Irene's big chested, solidly grounded, big boned pulsatilla would be a lot more helpful. I've had one such pulsatilla, but other one wasn't. If I had enough of them, I could have an opinion on the matter. But a diagnostic picture is a bit like not having a keynote symptom. Often the keynotes are not the deciding factor in a good case. Neither are constitutional pictures.
(Just a beginner's interpretation)
Best,
Ellen

I'm happy to accept your apology for inadvertently misquoting me in a way
that made me look like I have difficulties with repertorizing my patient's
cases. I'm sure it was not deliberate on your part, and I am certainly not
asking you to be perfect, just more precise in cutting/pasting/quoting -
since these emails are a matter of public record.
Thankyou,
Chris Gillen

Hey - I write dozens of emails a day and can not remember when last I
goofed up a who-said-what.
I find your additional response an over-reaction.
The apology was after all also a matter of public record as you put
it - as was the original email showing who really said it.
I doubt your reputation is in shreds from one simple and easily made
mistake on any discussion list.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Irene,
The fact is, I do take my professional credentials seriously and it is
really not my problem how many emails you write each day. I have 15 years of
clinical expertise and it is important to me on a public list that my
expertise is not undermined through misquotes. I don't find repertorizing my
patient's cases to be an overwhelming task - hence my desire to set the
public record straight. I have simply asked you to be more precise in
cutting/pasting and quoting in future. Any perceived "over-reaction" is of
your own making.
Thank you,
Chris Gillen

Dear Chris,
Sorry this topic is getting diffussed with all this other talk about constitutions etc.
I am not clear. What are genius symptoms? I have here in in Sydow that "genius means the spirit of the disease." Not the central complaint, or the essence of the individual. Is this what you (Chris) are talking about when you use the word genius symptom? Acutes in the way I was taught to rep are usually pretty much physical. But, Some how I don't think this is the point. How is this different from a Kentian doing a mostly physical case?
Luis
Something like "Troubles associated with cough page 120 Allen's Boenninghause", is much broader than the many rubrics describing different kinds of cough found in Kent's rep. (I don't have a Boenninghausen rep here). I take it you would use this kind of rubric especially with a patient (a child) who cannot describe their cough very well. You won't find this rubric in Kent (I don't Think?)
Also, as a Kentian, you would not give a high priority to a sensation that is found several places in the body over for example clear mind symptoms. As I understand it, those particular (narrow) mind symptoms that you find in Kent, will not be found in the Boenninghausen Pocketbook. Also there are many broad symptoms like the above cough symptom that you will not find in Kent.
Best,
Ellen

Hi Ellen,
I forget which of "the old guys" first used the term "genius" in this
context, but as I understand it, it just means those symptoms which
describe the most central and most defining aspects of the remedy--to
do with its nature and its fundamental patterns, rather than the many,
various ways that its influence might appear in different cases.
Someone else used the term "red-line symptoms", which I think meant
pretty much the same thing.

Some e.g. would be Belladonna's "sudden manifestations", or
pulsatilla's "changeable" nature. As always, tho, no single symptom
could be defining, and absence even of a "genius" symptom would not
*necessarily* eliminate the remedy from consideration, tho (as one
lecturer put it), "you'd have to think long and hard" before e.g.
giving Belladonna to a case whose onset had been slow; etc.

HTH,
Shannon

Hi Shannon,
I thought it was being used in terms of the case analysis or a Boenninghausen's rep. Maybe not?? Of course remedies match diseases. So maybe it is the same thing.
Best,
Ellen

Hello Luise,
Yes! Boenninghausen's "method" of case taking (as exemplified in his essay
'Judgement of the Characteristic Value of Symptoms') simply follows
directions in the Organon. So that aspect is certainly not meant to be seen
as exclusive to von Boenninghausen.

For me, the repertorization styles between Kent and Boenninghausen are
different, but sure, as Boger showed, there are overlaps and everyone can
adapt the information to their own "method".
Thanks,
Chris

Hi Chris,

I have not enough time to follow all the contributions
to the minutus but I read here and there things you wrote
and I thougt: Ouah, this girl understands something on
Bönninghausen's combination method ! ; if one excepts the small group of German experts of the Bönninghausens Gemeinschaft. I also came across the name of G.Dimiitriadis and his translation of the TTB.

Are you aware that he got his knolwedge from staying in Germany
by these experts? Although the translation of Dimitriadis
is the best up to now I do not like the layout of his book; there is no better layout than that of Bönninghausen's 1846 original. See in it especialy the cross references and you will understand a lot.

As to the "mistakes" in the radar translation I must confess the latter is not actually so bad after browsing rapidly it anew. But I do not use it cause I found out a much better, cheaper and simpler program which integrates in adidtion the local sides (back left, right; throat left, right, etc) which prove to be of paramount
importance, and the end of life additions of Bönninghausen himself collected by his own son.

I cannot understand and believe the way the radar team integrates
the additions from the original German sources: either they are neglectful or or incompetent Synthesis 10 is a real mess and it goes more and more badly. When I hear F.Schroyens doing conferences promoting his repetory around the world, being warmly acclaimed I almost restrain myself from laughing; this guy is not aware of the poor state of his Synthesis. Please Mr Scroyens renew the team!

Further information in the next episode...

P.S. This post is written on a mobile so be indulgent for the typing

Michel Ramillon

Christine Gillen wrote:

Dear Chris,
I never meant you Chris knew less than I and had a lot to learn when I wrote:"See in it
especialy the cross references and you will understand a lot". This "you" adressed not you Chris but was impersonal. Just a little guideline, at least a suggestion out of personal notice.
Do you use their Bönninghausen program in german based on Gypser's 2000 Revidierte Ausgabe ? In it the concordances can be used directly as if they were rubrics. Very useful when you are looking for a remedy which follows the former one, especially in acute states to adress the succession of pathological stages. Do you use the concordances in this way ?
Bye,
Michel Ramillon (France)
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