Re: Question on Homotoxicology
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:13 am
At 4:42 PM +0000 3/6/04, Anna de Burgo wrote:
Ah. The "totality of symptoms!" This is a very distorted topic,
mostly through the works of modern homeopaths (mostly from the Kent
lineage) who see "totality" as "everything." That is NOT what
Hahnemann asked for. Hahnemann asked that the prescription be based
on the totality of the CHARACTERISTIC symptoms of the disease in the
patient.
So, first, you have to establish, through case-taking, what is the
"disease" of the patient, and then you have to select from the myriad
of symptoms those which are "characteristic." What you arrive at is
not ALL the symptoms, but only some. And ability to make THAT
selection is what separates the great homeopaths from the others.
This is a construct which posits that the body will use what is
needed and reject the other. It might be so. And it might *not* be so.
The original "combinations" were made from remedies with a close
sphere of action. The folks who put them together had a full
understanding of homeopathy. I have looked at several old catalogues
which sold "combos" and they were made of "smaller" remedies with a
limited sphere of action. For example:
Borneman Fever #89: Acon. 3X, Bryonia 3X, Belladonna 3X
Borneman Cough #124: Bryonia 3x, Causticum 3x
Borneman Cough #2179: Bryonia, Causticum, Phos, Populus, Wyethia all in 3X.
Borneman Boils and Carbuncles: Hepar 2X, Silica 6X, Apis 6X, Arsenicum alb. 6X
All these are understandable to me.
Today, many combos are made based upon EAV (or other kind of
electrical diagnosis) and have included many nosode and polychrest
remedies.
Heel Atropinum Compositum (for colic): Atropinum Sulph 4X, Bryonia 0,
Berberis 0, Pareira brava 0, Colocynthis 0, Vertarum alb 0, Cuprum
acet. 2X, Arsenicum alb 4X, Baptisa tinct. 0, Chelidonium 0,
Cantharis 5X, Medorrhinum 10x, Thuja 0, Clematis 0, Bezoicum acid 2X,
Arg nit 1X.
This makes NO SENSE when looked at homeopathically. Including a
nosode like Medorrhinum is beyond belief to me. There is, obviously
SOME logic to it, but it is NOT homeopathic logic.
I understand that. But seeing a remedy as something other than just a
remedy (waveform, energetic message, etc) is imposing an artificial
structure on the process. This might make it easier for *you* to
understand it, but recognize it for what it is-- an artificial
construct.
Same time is SAME TIME. Within hours is not "same time."
But, again, it is another way of looking at it. Homeopathy and
Homotoxicology share potentized remedies with the same names. Other
than that, they are different systems based on different models, as
Joe pointed out.
We cannot compare apples and oranges.
For him, yes. But when you are dealing with "energetic medicine" the
practitioner is ALWAYS part of the equation.
The more one looks at the common symptoms, and the less one looks at
the characteristic symptoms, the more allopathic the approach is.
How else would you describe it? It is certainly NOT approaching it as
homeopathy, because if it was, it would not use combinations like
that outlined above.
This is a BIG generalization. What KIND of skin problem? How does it
manifest? What are the modalities? What makes it better? What makes
it worse? Are there time modalities? What is its exact nature?
Sulphur is NOT the only remedy. To do homeopathy, you MUST look at
all this stuff to determine the remedy.
All words, and a different model. It has nothing to do with
homeopathy. Plain and simple. WHY do people want to make everything
else homeopathy?
If yuou want to practice this... fine. Don't call it homeopathy,
because it isn't, and don't clog up THIS list with it.
That is all theory, and it does not meld with MY view of how
homeopathy works. One cannot say that the other remedies will not
case a proving. You don't know. You can theorize, but you *don't
know.* It is all dependent upon the susceptibility of the individual.
If you give more than one, and there is a reaction, then you left
floundering as to what the cause was. You have no control over the
data.
Again... all theory. And depending upon which theory you believe in,
you will operate from that point.
Yes it is!!!! STOP THIS STUFF!! When you give more than one remedy,
you lose the ability to understand the reaction in the patient.
THAT'S the problem with multiple remedies.
Look... If you want to do this stuff, then go do it.... BUT STOP IT
ON THIS LIST!!
HOMOEOPATHY = SIMILAR SUFFERING.
READ THE ORGANON!
That tells you what it is. There is NO different branch. There is
Homeopathy that uses the method outlined by Hahnemann, and then there
is the use of potentized substances that are NOT used according to
those tenets.
READ THE CASEBOOKS!!!
The only year missing from Hahnemann's practice is 1817. All the
other years are there. Every case, every prescription. Every follow
up. He did lots of interesting things, but after his experiments in
1833 he did not use multiple remedies. He did (as I said, because of
a limited pharmacy and understanding) alternate remedies. He went up
and down potency scales. He dide NOT USE MULTIPLE REMEDIES. Stop it!!
Bad analogy. Homeotoxicology is not another car. It is another thing
that uses (in your analogy) wheels-- like a skateboard.
At the very beginning of your involvement on this list you said:
Why are you so resistant? If you want to study homeopathy, do so. If
you want to study homotoxicology, do so. But stop trying to mix them
in an effort to justify (perhaps) what your uncle was doing or taught
you.
JW
Ah. The "totality of symptoms!" This is a very distorted topic,
mostly through the works of modern homeopaths (mostly from the Kent
lineage) who see "totality" as "everything." That is NOT what
Hahnemann asked for. Hahnemann asked that the prescription be based
on the totality of the CHARACTERISTIC symptoms of the disease in the
patient.
So, first, you have to establish, through case-taking, what is the
"disease" of the patient, and then you have to select from the myriad
of symptoms those which are "characteristic." What you arrive at is
not ALL the symptoms, but only some. And ability to make THAT
selection is what separates the great homeopaths from the others.
This is a construct which posits that the body will use what is
needed and reject the other. It might be so. And it might *not* be so.
The original "combinations" were made from remedies with a close
sphere of action. The folks who put them together had a full
understanding of homeopathy. I have looked at several old catalogues
which sold "combos" and they were made of "smaller" remedies with a
limited sphere of action. For example:
Borneman Fever #89: Acon. 3X, Bryonia 3X, Belladonna 3X
Borneman Cough #124: Bryonia 3x, Causticum 3x
Borneman Cough #2179: Bryonia, Causticum, Phos, Populus, Wyethia all in 3X.
Borneman Boils and Carbuncles: Hepar 2X, Silica 6X, Apis 6X, Arsenicum alb. 6X
All these are understandable to me.
Today, many combos are made based upon EAV (or other kind of
electrical diagnosis) and have included many nosode and polychrest
remedies.
Heel Atropinum Compositum (for colic): Atropinum Sulph 4X, Bryonia 0,
Berberis 0, Pareira brava 0, Colocynthis 0, Vertarum alb 0, Cuprum
acet. 2X, Arsenicum alb 4X, Baptisa tinct. 0, Chelidonium 0,
Cantharis 5X, Medorrhinum 10x, Thuja 0, Clematis 0, Bezoicum acid 2X,
Arg nit 1X.
This makes NO SENSE when looked at homeopathically. Including a
nosode like Medorrhinum is beyond belief to me. There is, obviously
SOME logic to it, but it is NOT homeopathic logic.
I understand that. But seeing a remedy as something other than just a
remedy (waveform, energetic message, etc) is imposing an artificial
structure on the process. This might make it easier for *you* to
understand it, but recognize it for what it is-- an artificial
construct.
Same time is SAME TIME. Within hours is not "same time."
But, again, it is another way of looking at it. Homeopathy and
Homotoxicology share potentized remedies with the same names. Other
than that, they are different systems based on different models, as
Joe pointed out.
We cannot compare apples and oranges.
For him, yes. But when you are dealing with "energetic medicine" the
practitioner is ALWAYS part of the equation.
The more one looks at the common symptoms, and the less one looks at
the characteristic symptoms, the more allopathic the approach is.
How else would you describe it? It is certainly NOT approaching it as
homeopathy, because if it was, it would not use combinations like
that outlined above.
This is a BIG generalization. What KIND of skin problem? How does it
manifest? What are the modalities? What makes it better? What makes
it worse? Are there time modalities? What is its exact nature?
Sulphur is NOT the only remedy. To do homeopathy, you MUST look at
all this stuff to determine the remedy.
All words, and a different model. It has nothing to do with
homeopathy. Plain and simple. WHY do people want to make everything
else homeopathy?
If yuou want to practice this... fine. Don't call it homeopathy,
because it isn't, and don't clog up THIS list with it.
That is all theory, and it does not meld with MY view of how
homeopathy works. One cannot say that the other remedies will not
case a proving. You don't know. You can theorize, but you *don't
know.* It is all dependent upon the susceptibility of the individual.
If you give more than one, and there is a reaction, then you left
floundering as to what the cause was. You have no control over the
data.
Again... all theory. And depending upon which theory you believe in,
you will operate from that point.
Yes it is!!!! STOP THIS STUFF!! When you give more than one remedy,
you lose the ability to understand the reaction in the patient.
THAT'S the problem with multiple remedies.
Look... If you want to do this stuff, then go do it.... BUT STOP IT
ON THIS LIST!!
HOMOEOPATHY = SIMILAR SUFFERING.
READ THE ORGANON!
That tells you what it is. There is NO different branch. There is
Homeopathy that uses the method outlined by Hahnemann, and then there
is the use of potentized substances that are NOT used according to
those tenets.
READ THE CASEBOOKS!!!
The only year missing from Hahnemann's practice is 1817. All the
other years are there. Every case, every prescription. Every follow
up. He did lots of interesting things, but after his experiments in
1833 he did not use multiple remedies. He did (as I said, because of
a limited pharmacy and understanding) alternate remedies. He went up
and down potency scales. He dide NOT USE MULTIPLE REMEDIES. Stop it!!
Bad analogy. Homeotoxicology is not another car. It is another thing
that uses (in your analogy) wheels-- like a skateboard.
At the very beginning of your involvement on this list you said:
Why are you so resistant? If you want to study homeopathy, do so. If
you want to study homotoxicology, do so. But stop trying to mix them
in an effort to justify (perhaps) what your uncle was doing or taught
you.
JW