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Let me dig my Organon out again so I can have a look at the section you are referring to - I will get back to you on it.
If complexes (someone combining the most likely remedies into a bottle) help it is by good look more than good management. If the case can be taken why would a homeopath want to prescribe a complex unless they were at a point of desperation - and I have no qualms about them being used at points of desperation!

Even being able to choose the remedies that are placed in the bottle will not necessarily bring clarity because, as previously discussed, the combined remedies seem to have cancelling out efffects. This is evidenced in the small Australian study of some years ago and has been observed by me a number of times in clinic where a person who used one of the complexes I prepared subsequently made a n appointment for a consult because the complex didn't help, yet I went on to prescribe a remedy that was already in the complex and it did the job.

And finally, it is my observation that complexes used as a first rather than last resort lead to dependence on a 'this for that' approach by the practitioner rather than independence. They become unable to prescribe for the individual before them and so are crippled as a practitioner - and give homeopathy a bad name.

That's my take on them.
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Okay, he made you feel little ... for a moment.
Either you haven't *read* all of the posts over the past few months, or
you have very different memories of Julian than I have. (You were
silent for some months, including most of the recent
"liveliest"--lurking, or absent? Would make a BIG difference to your
understanding of the present complaints!)

Tell him hi for me!

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009, Richard Nash- Shannon wrote:
As I said in my previous mails on this topic some months ago: I stayed
on because I deliberately did not want the "purifiers" to succeed
completely - so I "oiled my feathers against all this as a duck does
against water", as I expressed it.
I think thats a pretty good

You are right.

But are those who can take the heat of the kitchen better homeopaths
for that reason or are their arguments better because they (including
myself) can take it - compared to those who cannot or do not wish to.

I for one miss the contributions of those who could not or did not
want to.

Luckily at least Suriya, who was one of the latter, opened up her own
list and, by going there, I still got the benefit of all those many
contributions of her. But unfortunately has been a minority of one.

Regards

Luise
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Dear Rik,

I promised Soroush I would stick around and actually participate some
(within the confinements of my busy practice), which I have not done in a
long time. I am looking forward to Sheilagh's comments on Chris' contact
with her regarding the ongoing debate. So I'll be around for a while!

Thanks!!

Magda Aguila
Aquiline LLC
Animal Nutrition and
Homeopathic Consultations
www.aquilinedanes.com

Shannon,
Did you read my email thoroughly? And if you have been on this list for a while (as I know you have) you cannot deny the many times when Julian would be exasperated and frustrated at the meaningless arguments against him. David Little has been maligned on this list time and time again, and as Rik mentioned, Dr. Luc was also quite frustrated with the constant slings at Homeopathy that go on this list and have been going on this list for a long time.
So please, don't try to cover the sun with one finger. It never works. Those names are mentioned in awe and gratitude by those of us who recognize their contribution to what is now called "Hahnemannian" Homeopathy. To the mongering groups here (as John so aptly called them), the mention of their names, their work, and their insight into Hahnemann's work, brings out a violent reaction, much as poison ivy does to those allergic to it.
Magda Aguila
Aquiline LLC
Animal Nutrition and
Homeopathic Consultations
www.aquilinedanes.com

See Shannon???? This is EXACTLY the kind of thing that gets other people going. Whether you like Joy or not, we all MOST RESPECT her knowledge and her vast experience in Homeopathy. There are not very many people out there doing PROPER provings to improve out MMs, and Joy, luckily for us, is one of them.
There was NO NEED for your post. All it does is bring up bad vibes and karma. I don't know if Joy actually left the list or not. Maybe she did what so many of us did during those times. Delete the posts as they came, or go on no mail. But that is irrelevant. The point is that Joy's posts have always been worth reading because she always has something CONSTRUCTIVE to contribute to Homeopathy. And your post was not only uncalled for, but frankly, as nasty as you claim some of other people's posts are.
Magda Aguila
Aquiline LLC
Animal Nutrition and
Homeopathic Consultations
www.aquilinedanes.com

I think it's a great idea to have new lists to discuss specific new branches of medicine, and I'd like to suggest three:

• The Voodoo Dolls -- pursuing any kind of similarity between any two things to divine and effect their intent

• The Mud Pied Pipers -- using hot air to transform merde into medicine

• The Self-Sacrifice Coalition -- who believe that any collection of conflicting entities self-organises to noiselessly and harmlessly eliminate every member not needed there (and of course practise their beliefs).

But on a more serious note, among all the tantrums I've seen thrown here about not being welcome on a Hahnemannian list, I have not seen one post suggesting that those who wish to discuss other practices not be welcome on this list -- only that they not set out to confuse readers between what is and what isn't homoeopathy. That's not such a big ask on a homoeopathy list, especially when the request is made of supposed homoeopathy practitioners, who (one would think) should know better than to imagine that without attempting to match pathogenesis to patient symptomatology one can practise any kind of homoeopathy, Hahnemannian or not.

We've heard a number of times that that confusion has been very disheartening for those who came here hoping to discuss something other than personal beliefs that make no sense in relation to the very definition of homoeopathy. How about simply respecting the accurate use of language in order to let everyone get on with actually using it effectively?

Cheers!

John
2009/7/12 Shannon & Bob Nelson >
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— Sir Humphry Davy, in "An Account of some Galvanic Combinations", Philosophical Transactions 91 (1801), pp. 397–402 (as quoted by David Knight, Humphry Davy: Science and Power, Cambridge, 1998, p. 87)

Fran, thank you!

I'm finding this increasingly surreal, that no matter how many times this issue is restated (though you've just done it particularly clearly), it comes back from Shannon as being unwelcome to discuss anything other than homoeopathy.

Shannon, discuss anything you like -- just don't call it homoeopathy if it's not; that's the point. And you don't need ANOTHER 1200 e-mails to tell you what homoeopathy is; just read the last 1200! Or the hundreds that went round two years ago! Or the ten words in the dictionary! Or any of the dozens of definitions you've seen here that relate patients to pathogeneses via an effort to have the latter cover the former! This does not require true genius; just that you pay attention for a minute.

If you still think you're unwelcome to discuss topics that aren't homoeopathy, please read that paragraph again. Better still, read Fran's message again, but read it properly this time; it said it perfectly. Nobody is making you unwelcome; you're very welcome.

Cheers --

John
2009/7/12 Fran Sheffield >

>> Personally I would like to have the benefits of *both* Organon-based

I like to read about actual *thinking* on the subject of homeopathy, not the
kind of close-mindedness that prompts these violent, unproductive, and most
of all *uninformative* p-contests. I remember some unpleasant flame wars on
the old Lyghtforce list, but I don't remember them ever quite reaching the
level of sheer, overwhelming nastiness I've seen displayed here the last
couple of months. I want to read about homeopathy, not (as Soroush put it)
how many angels can dance on the head of a pin!
Please post info on how to join these lists, Suriya!
Cee

I've been on this list for several years, and when the most knowledgeable posters left or became quiet a few years ago, I almost stopped checking the list altogether. The postings were bland, and not informative or educational, and also very often dealt with methods that were not homeopathy (IMO - please no capital lettered mails demanding to know what I mean).

I've always looked at minutus as a place to get input, to discuss problematic cases, issues where I would like debate with colleagues. In the past when I'd post a query I'd get a lot of responses from homeopaths, on list and off, which were extremely helpful. Now when I post a query, I get responses reminding me how to take a case (...), and a few responses (often from Joy) with actual input. Minutus used to be a helpful resource, which I would direct students to. Now this kind of thread on being nice or not draws more responses than anything dealing with actual work.

Is minutus still a community of active, working homeopaths, or just a hot air factory? (see, I can also be slightly offensive...)

Vera