Minutus

It's an intriguing situation, and if formic acid does indeed work, I
for one would find that marvelous! (But what connection do termites
have with formic acid--or was that for ants...) But to my mind it's a
completely different situation from plant/virus or human/pathology, for
two reasons: One that in homeopathy, we are trying to *strengthen the
host*, rather than attack the "pest"; and second, (laughing) in
homeopathy, we are (so to speak) enhancing the vital force of a live
creature, and even if that shed is seriously haunted, I don't think it
qualifies! Or are we trying to cure the termites of being termites, or
?
Shannon

Plant/virus infection or human/pathology state I agree as metaphors.
But this is not the same as shed/termites/. shed/termites equivalent
can be bone/dogs- If a pack of dogs want to attack the dinosaur
bones in a museum - then this analogy is perfect. Pest control is
not the same as bacterial control...

I am also curious about this but only as a curiosity. This is not
going to inform my medical practice, there is nothing "classical"
about this whether modern or old and I am surprised that we are even
having so much discussion about this...Effectiveness is not the only
criteria - I can produce so many cases as proof for combinations
being effective. I have never thought combinations as Homeopathy-
effective yes; Homeopathy is more about on what basis something is
being administered than anything else and you probably know it much
better than I do...
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Yes, that WAS my point - understanding the mechanism at work in terms of a
similarity principle, not trying to cure termites of obesity or tooth decay

That is, how does a highly dynamized remedy made from crushed live ants,
Formica Rufa, or one (originally) made from a distillation of large numbers
of dead ants, Formic Acid, repel household ants? Can it be applied to white
ants too?

Can someone tell me if a remedy has already been made in the 'homoeopathic'
way, i.e. triturated and potentized, from the subterranean termite, not the
Peppers variety?

Michele, have you nuked your shed yet? Could I get some live specimens?

Thanks,
Chris

Who said anything about attacking the host??

I said all a long that it was the shed that was sick, it was the shed
that succumbed not the termites. The shed = the plant, the shed = the
human etc that succumb to a more powerful force.

Apologies to Gaby for keep using her example but maybe it was Gaby's
persona that was being treated in the case of the ants, i.e. it was
this and the surroundings that were being strengthened to resist the
ants/pathology. I don't see what the difference is in simple terms.

Anyway I have a busy week and can't post on this for awhile. Best
wishes, Joy
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Hi Chris,
Still not game to go near them. We've had pretty heavy rain here for a few
days now too.
Am waiting on a catalogue from Green Harvest an eco friendly garden place.
As I said, I do know that you don't disturb them until you know what plan of
attack one is going to use.
I can't believe this discussion has gone on so long, but I really appreciate
the input.
Regards,
Michele.
PS. where do you live?

So you would advocate giving the remedy TO the poison ivy itself
would you?

That's an interesting approach:-)
Simon

Maybe it is Homeopathic - if we were to understand the enegetic state of
the pest we wish to deter, we may find that the remedy used to repel such,
whether in mother tincture or potentized form is at the counter energy level
to repel or neutralize that pest. Not disimilar from the prophylatic use of
homeopathy to avoid the flu, posion ivy etc.

Bob

I've just never seen another instance of homeopathic treatment on
something without a vital force (the shed)! That's all. However, the
idea that a remedy can act (on the bugs, not the shed) as a repellent
is really interesting, altho definitely "not homeopathy"--wouldn't you
agree? Speaking of nitpicky points...
Best,
Shannon

But the shed had been made from timber - are we to say that all
'living' things do not have a vital force? At what point does the
equation breakdown. If we cannot treat organic matter then how can we
treat humans. Can we not treat trees, plants, animals? So if we are
nitpicking we have to go back to basics - we treat the person not the
disease? Is this true or not? However there are some homeopaths, e.g.
Dr Ramakrishnan who is treating the disease and not the person? Is this
true or not.

And then we have to go back to what the vital force is and its function.

If the vital force is present in every organism and that it is the
vital force that is primarily deranged by the dynamic influence upon it
of a morbific agent inimical to life (stanza 11) then we have to ask as
Hahnemann did (and Chris) what is the dynamic influence - answered
within the rest of stanza 11, especially toward the end. So is it the
shed or the termites that need treating. Interesting that Michele said
something about having to have a clear plan of action when disturbing
termites else they get re-directed elsewhere to do their damage (albeit
natural to them) - this is akin to cutting out a cancer that then moves
on elsewhere (natural for a cancer to do that as it attempts to fight
for survival).

Whether or not it is funny to some that we are writing about treating a
shed, it remains a good analogy to understanding the basics of our
profession. I don't think the original question was ever stupid.
Perhaps we ought to rename this thread 'death of the shed' Best
wishes, Joy
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Alderley.
I only need half a dozen or so
I'm still searching my own backyard...there were some last year.

Chris.