Irene, I just wanted to thank you for all your research and for sharing it in very easy to understand language. i am much impressed with your "viral" knowledge. your email from back when we first began speaking about ebola on what it actually does in the body is saved for future reference. very insightful
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 Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
 To: 
minutus@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, October 4, 2014, 10:14 AM
 On Oct 4, 2014, at
 6:14 AM, Tanya Marquette 
tamarque@earthlink.net
 [minutus] wrote:
 Don’t be so sure of yourself
 Angie. 
 There was a man who had access to govt documents (lawyer
 & engineer).  He discovered an ongoing 20
 yrresearch project that developed a virus with the
 exact structure of HIV.  There were annual reports.  This
 study cont’d until suddenly AIDS
 was ‘discovered.’
 Some peole will believe any
 story.
 The fact is
 that AIDS viruses have been around for more than a thousand
 years, and that is long before anyone thought up the term
 "virus". AIDS viruses occur in at least 36 species
 of monkey and chimpanzees in sub-Saharan Africa. AIDS has
 also been present in cat species as far back as we have
 specimens to test (the oldest being in Australia), also a
 very long time ago. There is nothing new about AIDS
 viruses.
 Each species
 of cat or species of monky or species of chimpanzee, has its
 own versioon of AIDS virus that does not infect other
 species of cat/monkey/chim. Lentiviruses (AIDS viruses are
 all lentiviruses)  cannot ordinarily jump species; they
 need a mutation, usually a cross-over mutation ( where two
 chromosomes cross each other during replucation and swap
 chomosome bits) to achieve this. Crossover mutations occur
 naturally but extremely rarely. SO over the past more than a
 thousand years (we cannot find specimens to test further
 back), there are several dozen different forms of AIDS, each
 species specific, including two forms in a single
 chimpanzee, and ONE form in humans, the latter of which
 shows a crossover mutation from a very specific chimpanzee
 AIDS, so not just any of the more than 36 primate versions
 known in Africa but a very specific one, was teh virus from
 which human AIDS originated.
 Becasue of the way genetic mutations
 of this kind can be followed like a road map, it is possible
 to know which one came from which other one, and so to
 determine which is the oldest and which is the newest and
 what order the mutations occurred. This is relatively new
 research, but some of the viruses are thousand-plus years
 old.The mutation to adapt the cimpanzee one to
 man, is the most recent mutation and the cat AIDS viruses
 (called FIVs rather than HIVs came before the HIV, were next
 most recent (and in large cats like lions and cheetahs etc,
 it was only discovered in 1994 by Prof F.StJ,van der Riet at
 UCT, forst published in PAwPrint, my publication,  with
 photos of the virus) and the various other primate forms in
 chimps and monkeys (called SIVs for simian immunodeficinecy
 virus) go back further in genetic age even than Feline
 ones.    The order of evolution over more than
 a thousand years, was Chimpanzee-Monkey-Cats-Humans, with 36
 known mutations between the various primates, and a yet to
 be determined number in cats, but each species has its
 own.
 In animals some
 of the AIDS viruses are present but do not cause disease, as
 the animal has evolved so  many hundreds or thousands of
 years since the first AIDS virus that they have developed a
 resistance to them. MOST of the SIVs do not cause the
 immunodeficiency syndrome in primates.In cats the
 syndrome varies by cat species. The FIV in most large wild
 cats does not cause  disease, but the one in domestic cats
 is relatively new (despite going back as far as we have
 domestic cat material to test)  and it is indeed like the
 human one in causing immune system compromise to the point
 of killing the host.
 That said, the one in lions is only
 inactive in the wild. As soon as the large wild cats are in
 captivity and given immune system destroying vaccinations
 (as they nearly all are esp in USA)  then the FIV can and
 does become immune compromising with AIDS illness
 presenting. 
 Humans
 and domestic cats have not had their version of the AIDS
 lentivirus long enough to evolve resistance even if not
 vaccinated. It likely takes thousands of years to evolve
 that way, but it is the normal way viruses work. They
 initially kill or seriously affect their victims, but the
 virus itslef woudl die out if it was 100% lethal and
 infected enough victims. SO it is the natural course of
 events that the victim/host gradually develop resistance so
 that the virus itself can survive.
  There
 is also a lot more govt sponsored research on diseases that
 is pretty sinister.
 The history of retroviruses in
 animals goes back many decades.
 No, they go back thousands of years,
 including the lentiviruses that cause AIDS
 syndromes.
 There are
 many retroviruses. Lentiviruses are a subset - a genus - of
 retrovirus, with the specific feature that they can live in
 cells that are not replicating.  HIV, FIVs and SIVs, are
 all lentiviruses.The HIV virus arrived in man via
 a chimpanzee SIV.Each HIV, FIV or SIV, can  ONLY
 infect ONE specific species so if your cat has FIV it ca not
 give you HIV. ANd if you have HIV,  you can not give your
 monkey SIV.
 The
 species jumping happens only very rarely via mutation - not
 via zoonotic contagion - maybe one mutation to jump species
 in hundreds of years.Man got that mutation in
 mid-20 century, from a cimpazee.
 Not via some invented
 conspiracy.The AIDS viruses have been around MUCH
 longer than man has heard of viruses.
  I think biotech was
 more advanced and sinisterthan
 you recognize. 
 You seem to forget that
 untrustworthy scientists come from training grounds the rest
 of us also use.Good universities are the training
 grounds.
 Misapplication of what they learn is
 possibe but what you suggest is like asking first graders to
 fly to the moon.We are not there yet, however
 wild the conspiracy inventions.
 Many (natural as man can not make
 them) strains of viruses are kept in labs supposedly for
 research.They are not manufactured there but some
 may be grown in viral culture to grow more. 
 Namaste,   
 Irene--Irene
 de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
 P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
 
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary
 Homeopath.)
 "Man who say it cannot be
 done should not interrupt one doing
 it."
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