Minutus

I have always felt Homeopathy is God's medicine and that Jesus was the first Homeopath.
Thank you for these thoughts - they give me a lot to ponder on.

Peter Capple (? Spelling?) developed Aids -
And other remedies this way. He took 50 or 60 complete cases
, found the Genus Epidemicus and realized our Material Medicas had no remedies to cover the symptom totality He claims he put alcohol and water in an empty vial on the bookcase and gave it to God. A few weeks later he felt it was done and gave his new remedy to patients and cured them of Aids.
He claims huge numbers (30 thousand?) cured with that remedy.

If your theory is correct we should all be able to do this.

David Little calls this stuff " imponderables". Not sure it is always good to discuss this - we have no understanding from the allopathic community and this sets us off even farther.

while i think 'intention' has something to say for itself, this is not what these machines are about.

there are homeopaths who think that intention can void remedies when they give them to a client

and therefore will not tell you the remedy they are giving and this has nothing to do with machines
t

Paul
We really have a disagreement here. Vibrionics is a protocol that uses some homeopathic prinicples but have no idea what it really is.

Radionics is not a protocol. It is only a machine that makes remedies. The case taking is still case taking

You seem to be confusing all kinds of things, dumping them into the same barrel.
t

Hello- many threads answered in this one email.
From far within the rabbit hole: enter at your own risk and sanity! Or delete now.
Dr Joe says

So how is that that when I find a remedy that i firmly believe is correct, and so does the patient, but is in fact wrong due to poor choice of rubrics for example, it does not work? according to that sentence, if the practitioner believes that what he is giving is correct, it will work willy-nilly...or have I misunderstood everything?
The following are Cayce principles.

Cayce says that there are levels of consciousness. The top would be individuals like Jesus, Sai Baba and probably others who have attained that level of oneness of consciousness, one with all and know it and do NOT think this is so. They have removed their ego or understood the fallacy of it. Most of us homeopaths operate at a lower level of consciousness and have ego. With ego one thinks what one does is right at a lower level of consciousness often times looking through rose colored glasses or through the ego. It is said that you must be a clear and impartial observer taking the case. That is egoless, that is raising your vibrations to a higher level of consciousness or pure love.
Believing a remedy is correct is what you said but at what level of consciousness? That is the key. And you said Believe. Believe is not knowing, it is saying I think it may be so but not sure. If that is the case then the patient will sense this and not trust what you give, thus not working. That is one theory that makes sense to me. To make it work “willy-nilly” the practitioner must have 100% confidence in what they say and prescribe and the patient must also. Also consider how many times the patient does not give their inner most thoughts and issues leaving you to play around with rubrics on the periphery of the issue and not the core. You choose rubrics based on the outer periphery of their mental-emotional issues and of course it does not work though you thought it would. Look at the things Sankaran is doing to get to the core or essence of the case. Ananda Zaren talks about the Wound, Wall, Mask each being further away from the core issues. If we prescribe on the Mask the patient presents we miss the mark even though we believe we have the right remedy.
Adding to that you could also have the correct rubrics and the correct remedy but the healing come from within the person, not the remedy as the remedy will nudge them back to balance. If the SOUL within chooses to stay with their issues they will NOT be healed, as we can NOT impose healing on them without their consent.
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Allen speaks of demons and sin. Purely semantics from me but growing up in bible family and the heavy emphasis on those two words i never use them anymore. Cayce talks about sin as missing the mark. Pretty simple. Like a bow and arrow thing where you shoot for the bullseye. If you sin you miss the mark. You have missed LOVE at the center so you need to correct your thoughts attitudes to get back to the middle the balance. At our core and highest consciousness we are not sinners we are SOULS within a human frame. Thus we are perfect in all ways. We identify with the ego and think we are (insert your name here). If we miss the mark we create karma and lessons to help us remember who we are. We can control the demons because we ALWAYS have a choice. We are EMPOWERED. No one or any thought can control us unless we give our inner consent. The maintaining cause need not be a damp basement but someone not willing to forgive, or choosing anger rather than understanding etc.

To find a remedy for oneself and then the symptoms go away sounds to me like intense inner therapy, and an understanding of missing the mark and then learning from it and letting it go. I think Allen is right and we homeopaths are learning what it means to be healed, healer, healing….I would also agree that the more love/silence you can bring to the homeopathic interview the greater chance the patient has of healing.
As for big pharma and allopathy having the upper hand over homeopathy right now Cayce would probably say that that is our Karma. Ancient civilizations have existed where Homeopathy and other principal health methods were the main choices and surgery etc were considered stupid and wrong. So now as homeopaths we can see where we have missed the mark in past life times and condemned allopathy, surgery, meds etc. The balance is each healing system is needed at the right time and for the right person and no one healing method is superior to the other. To judge and condemn the other is to create lessons and missing the mark and future karma. So as homeopaths we have to suck it up and take the allopathic bullshit and look to join them as complementary choices for the patient, not to replace them. It is not us and them it is WE, together. And Yeah homeopathy is the medicine of the future we all know that BUT it is together like the Indians and Swiss have integrated homeopaths into the health care system.
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Paul talks about skeptics. As i have said the skeptical mind is at the surface of consciousness and at a deeper level of consciousness where we are ONE with the skeptic (blasphemy I know!) they are aware of the power of homeopathy. I do not know anything of radionics, vibrionics...but they sound like they are using energy to heal. Bottom line for me if it works, use it.. As for “babies, animals, comatose patients and plants”...are ALL in the stream of UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS. Check out findhorn garden, plants can feel your thoughts and interact with you, we know animals can for those that have pets. Many of us have seen YOUTUBE videos of humans play with full grown lions or hyenas or crocodiles and not get hurt as the animal senses your thoughts and your love and you are safe. Babies come into this world taking on the genetics miams etc. And they are also Souls coming in with lessons to learn. No disease is removed from a child unless the inner soul decides it is time. Their are some children with some pretty serious issues...e.g. Autism etc. and sometimes remedies help and sometimes not. Bottom line for me remedies only work on anything if they allow it to work and I do not care what species you choose.
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Maria talks about Peter Chappell and the work he has done. Pretty serious homeopath with many cases that is certainly stretching the homeopathic boundaries. Why it works is something we should all try to understand.
My take from far within the Rabbit Hole! Domenic

Hello Tanya,

I am still puzzled as to how these machines are supposed to work. When the card apis is inserted, the machine knows to prepare apis, and what it is? It has conciousness? Really? This is laughable.

If that were the case we should just have a machine where you write the patient's name on some paper, maybe a fingerprint to differentiate John Smith from John Smith jnr and the machine prepares a suitable remedy. What an idea I have given some loon out there. Watch the Internet, someone will do this!!!

When I worked for Weleda, the idea was that when someone potentizes, intentions are important. When I looked at it objectively, taking into account the varied personalities here and abroad doing the potentizing , I concluded that diligence and correct procedure were more important for quality remedies. I certainly wouldn't want intentions from certain people to be in any remedy I took.

When I take sulphur, I want sulphur, not sulphur with Joe Soaps intention.

Regards,
Paul
Regards,
Paul
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I am enjoying this thread. Very interesting.

When I was a new student, I thought I needed a remedy I did not have, so I made a paper remedy for myself that I put a glass of water on it, What Julian Winston used to call a star remedy, since it was a nosode I did not 'read up' on the remedy so could not have 'beemed' information into the remedy. It worked amazingly well, I took a dose and my head was like a reverse lighthouse light or energy radiated into it from several directions. That remedy never worked on me again, perhaps I did not need it.

Now, on the other hand, as a serious homeopathic educator I feel we homeopaths must toe the line of proper and full education, certification in the science of homeopathy and to downplay the more 'voodo' aspects, not because they are not valid or do not work, but because we need to hold a scientific line........ Just because we are unable to put into words what we do, does not make it less valid.
I am far more concerned with the 'perception' of being out there for us as a profession, Many times people do not want to hear the truth, they will run from it and we do not need to give our detractors any toe holds to get a grip on another defamation campaign of any kind.

Gee I love being a homeopath - such a plethora of potentials at our fingertip.

Regards, Maria

I am with you regarding the intentions of the patient, wrong remedies do not work, paper or pillule the wrong remedy is the wrong remedy.

And, how do we explain a paper remedy tied to a dogs collar that works (or not)? My dog does not know the difference between Arnica or anything else.

However, my dog will sniff a bottle of remedy and let me know if he wants or needs it. I would offer one of my dogs a choice between two or three remedies and he would lick the correct bottle, another of my dogs would keep going back to the remedy he wanted until I gave it to her.

Maria

Yeah maybe I shouldn't have bothered with all the years of study and hard work on cases if all it takes is intent. A good friend of mine, an elderly woman who's a scholar in other areas, instead of wanting to understand Homeopathy likes to go back to the argument that it must just be the intention, of the remedy giver, the remedy maker, and the patient. That'd be kinda nice, way easier, but it is so unlikely.

This way of magical thinking (if expressed beyond chatting with other homeopaths) is going to continue to make things worse for our profession in the world. Hahnemann is probably rolling over in his grave.

-Rebekah

I have never used a paper remedy although as I have explained before, I have identified remedies for myself and without taking them my symptoms have disappeared. And we have all seen how a letter or phone call from a loved one can remove depression and sickness from a person. A mother's love for her child can do the same. A message of hate or threats from a bully can cause sickness and torment. Clearly, though none of these things are physical, they all have an effect on the organism. And let us not fail to mention prayer, possibly the greatest "intentional" remedy of all. Jesus taught that whatever a person believes in his heart, it will be so. (Proverbs 23:7, Mark 11:23)
If you would like to see graphic illustrations of what a paper remedy can do, pick up Masaru Emoto's books, "The Hidden Messages In water", and, "The True Power Of Water" and you will see. A paper message with the statement, "you are ugly", shown to a glass of water changes the crystalline structure of that water from beautiful to hideous while a paper message of "love" makes the structure beautiful. There is nothing else done to the water. It is only these messages on paper that make the changes. Thus, we have to be careful of what we say to others and to take seriously the power that words and actions can have on people and all other creatures, especially children.
We do not know all that there is to know of the Universe. What we have truly begin to understand is that intentions do matter. Even though the intention of the person receiving a remedy such as a baby, an animal, a comatose person, etc. is not necessarily evident on the conscious level at which we operate, it may very well be that at an unconscious (to us) or spiritual level, that creature has the intention of healing. Why else would they be in the presence of the healer.
It is very possible - and probable - that both sides in this debate are right. There is intention for many things at a level above the purely physical which we cannot be aware of. We have to accept that the slightest motion, movement, or thought creates a wave that changes the Universe forever. As such, anything and everything is part of the great scheme of Creation and we humans, with free will and consciousness, are creators, equal in manner to the active principle of the Creation. The religionist cannot understand these things because he is oriented outward, believing that all power is outside of himself. That is why his "god" lives out there in another realm of existence. Those who love the Truth, however, can see the power of Creation in everything and understand that God is always with them and in them just as Jesus taught. (John, chapters 16 and 17)
As homeopaths, we have to truly understand the world, not as it exists in front of our eyes and to our physical senses, but also as it exists in its reality. That is to say, there is a world beyond this one which underlies and sustains this world. This world is a world of shadows of the Reality which IS. This world is a dream and there are many things that we cannot comprehend in this dream state. Eventually, however, we will know the truth and the truth will set us free. (John 8:32)

Elham, while I have great sympathy for your skepticism on this (I'm not disagreeing; just still in the "open mind" phase), well, many people have said that ("If you believe that, you will believe everything") about many things, including of course about homeopathy. And electricity, and space flight, or for that matter airplanes...

But about your comment that "If healing takes place only when [everyone] believes" -- it's worth noting that no one has actually *said* that about these machines. It's certainly not true of homeopathy (animals; babies; people in coma etc.; remedies-I-thought-were-right-but-weren't...), so let's start with the assumption that it isn't true about these machine-made remedies either -- and look to *see* whether they have same range of applicability.
There is nothing unscientific about giving a fair hearing to the seemingly absurd!
Shannon