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Hi Joy,
I did answer the question about what combos have to do with homeopathic
principles--(a) H specifically directed against; and/but (b) in the
methods of combo use that I am familiar with (there may be others), the
remedy that "works" is presumed similar to some part of the picture,
just the same as with any other h'c prescribing.

Below:
Once you get to "10, 100, etc.", you have passed the bounds of most
combos. Even confining discussion to the "3, 4, 5" variety, well, I am
no expert on combos. I don't really want to take on the role of
defending them. I've stated my understanding and my (very limited)
experience, and that's about all I have to offer on the topic.
??? I was not "promoting" anything. Perhaps you feel that Didi
was--well, I guess she was--and she would certainly have thoughts on
"justification" to offer. In fact in the past many "justifications"
have been given, but I'm sure you remember all that as well as I! You
find it unconvincing, and that's fine with me... Clearly not everyone
agrees.
Sounds like you are assuming that her main motive was to stir us up.
That I doubt, but it's neither here nor there. But--nothing to do with
temperaments? I disagree.
Best wishes,
Shannon
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I'm not certain if this suits the discussion, but I did offer two
explanations (which suit different approaches to combo use), and I'm
curious what your reaction is?
(a) the needed one works and the others do nothing (so it is said,
anyway); or
(b) each remedy is homeopathic to *part* of the overall.

The thing that can't be gotten away from is that Hahnemann says not to,
but some people explain that away in various ways, and others say yes,
but we're doing it anyway.

I don't think that explaining it to the patient is really the hard part.

Luise wrote:
[...]

Luise, do you know what model they are using, or whose work it is based
on?

[...] Chris wrote:

Yup, because this is a classically-focussed list. People who are not
classically focussed wouldn't have much reason for hanging out here,
and when every now and then someone from another "camp" has come thru
to explore and trade thoughts, they've been pretty promptly tarred and
feathered and run out of town.

But some of us would like the freedom to discuss topics that come up,
without having conversations that someone deems inappropriate be
repeatedly mugged. This isn't "your" list, and it's not "Joy's" list.
It's Ardavan's list, and he has never (never!!) given us a "Thou Shalt
Not" about any of these topics for discussion.

Best wishes,
Shannon

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Hi Chris,
Chris wrote:

It's just a remark that was made in one of my classes. It's not an
issue I've ever paid much attention to (I have enough trouble learning
what I need of the *regular* remedies!), so I've never looked into the
question.
Hm... Single, simple, well-known medicinal substances like sepia? Or
causticum? Or Skookum Chuck? Or any milk? Of all of these I think
the "water" remedies (e.g. skookum chuck) bear greatest similarity to
the situation of potentizing a combo (esp. if you start with a very low
potency). I gather the water remedies are very useful in their place,
and I don't see why the situation should be different in doing provings
on a combo--but I also don't see why one would necessarily want to
bother...
Shannon
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Hi Shannon,
Not possible. Until last year, when I first read v. Boenninghausen's
case in his casebook I believed in the story just as much as anyone
else.

I was so happy to find out more about it when I realized the "egomet
ipse" meant "I myself".

If he'd made it up, wouldn't

That is a good aspect and I must say I do not know. Perhaps Weihe was
dead or he thought it a good thing. After all, if
my speculations are correct, v. Boenninghausen did not make up the
story from base motivation, but on the contrary was fighting for what
he believed to be good homeopathy.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Hi Chris,

I am not going to discuss further on the base of personal attacks.

As far as my research goes: I do not care what you think of my
research and publishing of it. I need not and will not defend it - it
is up in the net for all to read and make up their own minds if they
choose to do so.

So just one correction - not for you but for the rest:

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This is quite wrong, as anyone can confirm for her/himself.

A lot of symptoms in the materiae medicae are not found in the
provings at all. These are what I call "cured symptoms". The ones you
are talking about are "confirmed symptomps."

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Well, I guess that one goes into the "Unsolved Mysteries" file!
I don't think I dreamed it, but can't find a trace, so who knows...
Best,
Shannon
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There is always lyghtforce list as you know
http://lists.homeolist.com/mailman/listinfo/homeopathy

or homeopathy_open
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathy_open

I'd like to talk about my tours too, but that doesn't mean this list is
appropriate.
Sheri
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So we have various "factions" with differing preferences.
How shall we decide, in absence of Ardavan's input?
Shannon
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Dear Chris and all,

Whew!! I just opened my mails (I view minutus only once a week or so) and I must say, "Wow!"

First:
Let me apologise to Chris & other "classicists" -

I now know without a doubt of a doubt of a doubt that y'all ain't gonna want to even smell no 2 remedies near each other, even if someone thinks they might do a patient a world of good. You don't want to hear about it, you don't want to know about it and -most especially- you don't want that others should share it on Minutus because you consider this emailing list your very own preserve.

This is a clear message. And this is to let you know that I got it loud and clear.

Secondly:
I understand that and I will do my best to continue to respect that. After all, it is why I changed the subject to "...&dentist" and attempted (failed obviously) to humourously red-flag it with the "heads shaking" comment as well as advised for the finicky - "...or taken separately one after another within the 1/2 hour before walking in..."

I thought those markers would have been enough to alert readers that the comments were "off topic" and not directed to those who felt they have no use for them.

In future questionable emails I will "off topic" it so that folks can be well warned and simply toss this poor intrepid writer's email.
Thirdly to Chris:
You wrote: "Didi knew what discussion would follow"
I truly didn't.
It is a misconception on your part to think that I wanted to instigate some kind of WorldWideWrestling match between the "classicists" and the rest of us... ummm .. "mongrels" (re: Jeremy Crowley)

In fact I wrote: "But without getting into a long -possibly bitter- rebuttal, justification or endless discussion..." which, unfortunately, peacible as the statement was intended, seemed to have an effect of aggravating worse than taking a Sulphur 1M for an itch. Just gotta scratch till it bleeds, i guess.

Fourthly,
I ever remain without comment on the burning issues of "what is 'classic' " and related topics such as "did Hahnemann approve", "is polypharmacy polluting our purity" etc. I simply say that I'm no scholar.

I'll say for myself- when its possible, I definitely go for the single rx. When its not, well, I look for what works. The patient's cure & relief in the most rapid, gentle way is what I'm after. Whatever gives a good kick to the ol' vital force is for me.

Finally,
Chris and all
I welcome you to volunteer at Abha Light's projects in Kenya. For that matter, there are many similar efforts by sincere dedicated homeopaths in projects in Botwana, Senegal, and soon to open- Ghana, and others too. I know there are others working in Central and South America, not to mention India, Nepal, Sri Lanka and so on. In case you haven't by now, take an opportunity to serve humanity and see the world at the same time.

Besides, perhaps you'd like a break from all those ever-so-difficult-to-cure broken down ol' constitutional cases and want to experience pioneering in these "homeopathic no-man's lands". Don't worry for sure, we, at Abha Light, won't hinder you from practicing classically, any maybe you'll get some unique experiences, too, to take back to your own practice. Your contribution towards the effort to bring homeopathy to every corner of the globe will be historical and appreciated by all. You are ever welcome.
Post script:
And thanks Hahnemannian2002- I'll remember your caution about avoiding bites. BTW, your polypharma recipe for bites has all the makings of a good complex, as you wrote: "Ledum + Echinacea + Caladium or even Lachesis ... "


...ummmm....Though I would have thought a single dose of simple Dulcamara would have been more appropriate, for you (the 'classicists') didn't really bite hard, just many at once.......

(I'll leave it to all of you to figure that one out.)
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director, Abha Light
visit: www.abhalight.org
tel: +254 20 445-0181 / cells: 0733-895466 / 0723-869133

open your mails more often than I do and you might have realised this
wasn't 'directed' at you but a challenge to combo rx - perfectly legit,
even though some on this list made it seem like it was directed at you
- whew indeed. Joy

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