carcinosin

[Shannon Nelson]

What sorts of aggs were you seeing (emotional upheaval?), and

even to 30 and 200? and

Do you notice different responses to the T15?

Thanks!

[Rochelle]

All I remember as it was a long time ago was a worsening of the presenting complaint. I don’t think I see any differences with theT15 – it is more me thinking it is a better remedy for these times.
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Nelson
What sorts of aggs were you seeing (emotional upheaval?), and
even to 30 and 200? and
Do you notice different responses to the T15?
Thanks!
From clinical experience I give Carc in 3 doses- 30, 200, 1M in 24 hours. I know this is a British quirky way of giving a constitutional Rx but with this Rx I have found I don’t get aggs giving it this way whereas I did as a single potency. I always say if any of the potencies immediately have some effect then don’t take the next one and contact me. I also now give the T15 version i.e. a Carc with 15 different nosodes in it.

FWIW
Rochelle
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Subject: [Minutus] carcinosin
For reasons unknown, I was taught that Carcinosin should be given in 30c or 200c, rather than higher. Since then I have gathered that others choose potency for that remedy in the same way as any other, and often give it much higher. Does anyone have observations about this, any idea why I might have been taught that or whether should be approached differently from any other remedy as far as potency?

I would like to do Finbonacci series on this case, but I am thinking there may be compliance issues initially, so want to begin instead with a high potency single dose. 200c seems fine for this case, but it brought this old question to mind.

Thanks,
Shannon

[Lynn Cremona]

the rest of T Smit's commentary :
I suggest that one-tumor-Carcinosinum should therefore be named after the tumor that is used, e.g. Carcinoma mamma, Carcinoma rectum.

Only the remedy made with different tumors should be called Carcinosinum, followed by the number of tumors used, e.g. Carcinosinum (15T) 30K.

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From

The Carcinosin Drug Picture

By Foubister

The original Carcinosin, obtainable at Nelson's and Keene & Ashwell, is the one which was proved and the one which we have used mainly. Its source is unknown, but it is believed to be from Carcinoma of breast. Recently two new series of preparations have been made by Nelson's to whom we have supplied specimens from the homoeopathic hospital, and Gould & Son who have potentized a number of specimens of cancer obtained from another source.

In general it may be said that the recently introduced preparations are much more active, and there is a very definite place for the newer ones. Of these I have had most experience with Nelson's Carcinosin adenostom, and it is a very powerful nosode. Gould’s preparations are also extremely active and valuable.
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and

From the article published in October 1982 by Dr. Dorothy J. Cooper in the British homoeopathic Journal, Vol.71, no. 10. "Origin And History Of Carcinosin”.

‘Initially we must identify the substance under discussion. The preparation used by Dr. Foubister and Dr. Templeton in clinical practice and trials, was the original preparation of Carcinosin, the source of which is unknown. It was bought over from the United States and was probably prepared from an epithelioma of breast’.....

The basis of this remedy, was established by William Boericke, J. H. Clarke and

J. H. Compton Burnett in the first part of this century and put under renewed attention by

Dr. D.M. Foubister from England in the fifties.

He mainly experienced the remedy in practice and never did full Provings.

The credit for bringing Carcinosin into lime light goes to Dr. W. lees Templeton & Dr. Donald M. Foubister.

The first Carc. pathogenetic symptom found in the literature was Burnett’s who while doing a self‑Proving had, a sensation of mortal exhaustion, Burnett did not leave any records of his Provings with Carc.

After Burnett:

*Dr. Templeton the dean of the faculty of homoeopathy and director of Provings at Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, carried out a Proving of Carcinosin around 1952-53 divided Provers into two groups.

Group- I ,consisted 4 provers & 4 controls

Group-II consisted 5 provers & 4 controls.The drug was proved in 30 and 200 potencies.

*Dr. Foubister was physician in charge of children’s department at the same institute.

He observed two children born to a mother who was suffering from carcinoma of breast.Both these children shared similar characteristics like café-au-lait appearance, blue sclerotics, numerous moles over body and both suffered from insomnia. Out of curiosity Foubister investigated 200 cases in his OPD, of kids with similar appearance for a history of cancer & found that there was a strong family history of cancer, diabetes mellitus and tuberculosis.

The report of Templeton’s Proving & the results of Foubister’s Clinical findings

(The Carcinosin Drug Picture, by Donald Foubiste'r) were published in the

British Homoeopathic Journal "Clinical Impressions of Carcinosin", April 1954

The original source of Carcinosin preparation is not known but some authors suggests, it was a preparation from carcinoma of the breast, of which most of the symptomatology is procured.

The origin of the remedy Foubister used is still not very sure until our days.

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Carcinosin Provings:

Templeton, W.L. 1954

Foubister, D.M. 1954 (Clinical)

Friedrich, Peter und Edeltraud 1989

Mattitsch, Günter u Haslinger-Prüger, Johanna 1993

Caballero, R.S. 1997 (Mexican Proving)

Baig, Mirza Anwer 2000
Holland: Dolisos 15

Belgium: Homeoden 1
Germany: Stauffen 58, with exclusion of bowel tumors

France: Dolisos Prohibited!

Switzerland: Dolisos 15

USA: Boiron 1
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[Shannon Nelson]

Can anyone tell me sources for information about the other Carcinosin preparations, their indications versus the original Carcinosin?

Shannon
Holland: Dolisos 15

Belgium: Homeoden 1
Germany: Stauffen 58, with exclusion of bowel tumors

France: Dolisos Prohibited!

Switzerland: Dolisos 15

USA: Boiron 1
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